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Featured Personality of Mary the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by agedman, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. agedman

    agedman Well-Known Member
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    The purpose of this thread is to compare the indicators of Mary the mother of The Christ, to the typical stereotype of a Jewish woman.

    Typically, a stereotype of a Jewish woman is one who is feisty, short tempered, perhaps vindictive, and mouthy.

    They are more often portrayed as the ones who love to gossip, are shrewd in looking for bargains, and status oriented.

    Generally, they appear to either be a helicopter parent or career oriented neglectful.

    Taking all that into consideration, can you construct a comparative and contrasting narrative of the conversations of Marry concerning the events from the angel visit to the time of settling in Nazareth?

    For example:

    Angel: Hello, Mary. You are highly favored by God.

    Mary: Really, wow an angel! My neighbors! They are going to be so impressed, I will be the envy of the town.

    Angel: Mary, here is the good news. You are going to get pregnant before marriage to Joseph.

    Mary: Hey, buster, I’m not that kind of girl! I’m a virgin and I heard about your sort. You go try your compliments on someone who is easy. Where’s my broom? What, you still here? ​


    In comparison to the Scripture narrative given in Luke 1 and 2 (or other places), can you portray what a stereotypical narrative might be in contrast to that which actually took place?
     
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    Sorry - NO!
     
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    Why???

    Please delete this thread. Offensive.
     
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    So, I assume you cannot take joy in knowing that Mary was highly favored because her character was Godly and not typical of the stereotypical?

    You cannot imagine the stereotypical and compare and contrast?

    Or are you placing esteem upon Mary in such veneratio as one to worship?

    A two word response using an exclamation seems judgmental, or is there some other cause?
     
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    Of what is offensive?

    The presentation of the actual Mary in contrast to a stereotypical is not offensive.

    It is an exercise that is to display the tremendous aspects of the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is to present Mary as significantly different, and a pattern that Godly women should aspire.
     
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    I find it humorous that people are engaging in a discussion of a person whose name they can't even spell correctly. :D
     
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    Your stereotype is offensive.

    I'm a man & I don't know any stereotypical Jewish girls - only girls in South Asian families. I think Mary's reaction of fear & humble amazement was appropriate. And even 30 years later she would have felt the humiliation when the Pharisees insinuated - Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
     
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    Scene: Joseph and Mary who is in full term have stopped to rest on the road to Bethlehem.

    Mary: Joseph, look at all these travelers, couldn’t you have gotten that donkey? Did you call ahead and reserve a room? I could use a warm bath to relax my back!

    Mary continues: What! You didn’t reserve a room, not even a midwife? You think I am some cow? You think I’m going to have this child in a barn or outside in this weather!?
    How is that in contrast to the Mary that “ponders in her heart?”

     
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    This is an exercise of contrast. We can all agree on the attributes of Mary as displayed in Scripture.

    What this thread does is present those facts in contrast to the stereotypical presentation of the Jewish mother.

    If you need help in comparing “google” - stereotypical Jewish woman.

    Take from that typical presentation and construct a narative that is in contrast to that of Mary.
     
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    Wow!

    Thanks!

    I didn’t realize that the iPad and my fingers put too many rr’s !
     
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    If you'd like to study the positive point and virtues of Mary, why not discuss - point by point - what the Bible says about her?

    Your comparing her to the stereotypical Jewish woman of today - which is really not the stereotypical, but the cartoonish caricature - is a little insensitive.

    It's like taking the Ethiopian eunuch whom Phillip evangelized and comparing him to a cartoonish stereotype of a black man - watermelon eating, imprisoned, dead beat dad......etc.

    To extol the virtues of a Biblical person, all we have to do is compare them to Godly attributes found in the Bible.
     
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    Why do you think that for centuries the stereotype has been basically unchanged? Because the basic personhood of the stereotype remains , which is why the stereotype is today as valid as it ever was.

    Geography and time does not change a person, that is one reason the “stereotypical” penal system is a failure.


    This thread was meant to be a fun compare and contrast using dialogue such as a dramatic production. It was never to denegrate Mary, but to display her as she was. A complete person who was of hugely outstanding character and insight in comparison to the typical stereotype of a Jewish woman. A stereotype that has been for centuries and is not merely modern day cartoon characters.

    I suppose I could have suggested any culture, for all are stereotypical in some manner. How about Greeks? Ever see that movie about “my big fat Greek wedding?” Should it also be seen as some kind of “cartoonish” characterizing, or was it a comedy based on the stereotypical Greek mother?

    Your criticism is both absurd and unfounded.

    In an attempt to bring a reflection upon truth, a smile on how the Godly stands in contrast to the ungodly, and to present a more humorous perspective, it is becoming obvious this thread will not succeed.

    And I thought I was the dull uninspiring (stodgy) curmudgeon that couldn’t get along with anyone.

    Or are you and others (seemingly) so enamoured and worshipful of Mary that you can’t find humor in contrasting her with others?
     
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    I think you misunderstood me or else I was unclear.

    It wasn't that I was uneasy with comparing Mary to anyone. I don't hold her in perfect esteem.

    I was uneasy with the stereotype - the clownish portrayal of Jewish women. I didn't realize it was supposed to be a humorous post.
     
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    Stereotype is not built upon what is not typical.
     
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    Stereotypes are almost always racist. As is this one.

    Simply contrasting a racist stereotype with Mary does not make it less racist.

    Further, you reference centuries old stereotypes as being based in fact: a four hundred year old lie is still a lie. Also, Mary lived over two THOUSAND years ago in what we now regard as the Middle East. She would have been a teenaged girl, very pregnant, on a road with her husband, a donkey and the Holy Spirit.

    She lived before anesthesia and the germ theory of disease.

    As did every other Jewish woman of her time.

    Brutal infant mortality. No social welfare net. Romans.

    You're kidding right?


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    Ever watch TV, go to the movies, listen to music, look at fine arts, ...

    The whole of entertainment is based upon stereotype.

    Certainly, some can be racist IF they are for that purpose.

    The thread was not.

    Rather as explained from the OP and throughout, it was an exercise in comparing and contrasting what is COMMONLY perceived and presented by the entertainment business as stereotypical and that which is known of the character of Mary.

    Sorry for you being offended.

    Perhaps if you desire, you can start a thread on how stereotypes are not based upon stereotypical behaviors.
     
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    Popular entertainment = By lost people, for lost people.

    Perpetuating racial or blatantly racist stereotypes does not honor the second Great Commandment as it is not indicative of love for our neighbors.
     
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    Really,

    Perhaps the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul missed that command because they used stereotypes that were racist according to what seems to be your standard.
     
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    No they didn't.

    You did.

    Further, to equate anything that you have posted with the words of God, or the inspired words of Paul is ridiculous.

    And if this is supposed to be a humorous post, then it's in poor taste.

    I'm out.

    God bless!
     
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    well, sorry to have you leave with such an untasteful treat.

    But there is one issue that you seem to stumble.

    I did not equate my post with that of Scripture. For you to take such a view is just poor and grasping at excuses.

    What I did was point out that your post quoted here:
    was not a Scriptural view.

    I figured you had enough understanding of Scriptures to realize the error in judgment by pointing out two highly regarded that used stereotyping. Your reaction is far from on target.

    Now it is good that you left the thread, but sad that you carried a wrong impression of both the thread and this poster.
     
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