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  1. SGO

    SGO Active Member

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    "The recorded history of the Septuagint is that it was translated by Jews because many Jews could not read Hebrew anymore."

    Can you site a source for this quote?

    But many Jews could read:

    Jesus knew Hebrew and read from books/scrolls that were in even the smaller synagogues. Luke 4:17-21, knew Hebrew: Acts 26:14

    Jesus said that the Jewish leaders could read from Old Testament books. Matthew 12:5, 19:4, 21:42, 22:31
    Here in these examples the Lord didn't read to the leaders, right? He recited the passages.

    The Ethiopian eunuch read from Esaias. Acts 8:30

    Paul said, I am "an Hebrew of the Hebrews." Phillipians 3:5

    All these that are mentioned in the bible were unlearned in Hebrew and quoted the Old Testament from the Septuagint?

    So now the Septuagint is an eclectic edition that happens to be the complete Old Testament and the Apocrypha. Is that correct?
    Great they got most if not all of it.

    And is there a verified BC date for these eclectic pieces or some are and some are not?

    Not really sorry but I am using you and the forum as my book.
    Feel free to not respond.

    Here some instances where Jews and Greeks were worshiping together and could have used the Septuagint!
    Acts 14:1 at Iconium
    Acts 17:4 at Thessalonica
    Acts 17:12 at Berea
    Acts 18:4 at Corinth
    Acts 19:10,17, 20:21 at Ephesus
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    It is IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus Christ, or ANY of the New Testament writers, to have used the (Septuigent) LXX in their quotations from the OT. The LXX is ONLY a Bible translation, and no different to the other thousands, like the TR/KJV, and therefore CANNOT be Inspired by God the Holy Spirit! ONLY the original Hebrew for the OT, and Greek for the NT, are Inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is IMPOSSIBLE that the NT can contain quotes from an uninspired work. What Jesus and the NT writers would have done, is to use a Hebrew OT (Hebrew Vorlage), that is very similiar to the LXX, like its own translators did when they translated it from the original Hebrew, some 150 years before Jesus was born. I have done a personal study into some of the NT quotes, especially from the Book of Hebrews, with the LXX and Hebrew text, and can say without any doubt, that there are many places, where the Greek OT quotes in Hebrews, is quite different to the LXX. I also looked at Acts and Romans, and found the same.
     
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    never been proven though!
     
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    I'm not sure of what your point is concerning the theory of gravity, unless you are indicating that the Septuagint is a theory.

    But the Apocrypha was never included as Scripture. Because of this confusion it was later taken out.

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    do you know the position in the Bible the Apocrypha occupied in the KJV? These books were NOT part of the actual Bible text, but were placed between the Old and New Testaments, which ALONE are God-Breathed! This was done soley for the purpose of study, as Books like 1 & 2 Macabees, are of historical value, which deal with the time "between the Two Testaments".

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    I'm not sure that the so called Septuagint comes from the best reliable Greek manuscripts. This statement is usually coupled with the dating of the so called Septuagint which they say was around 3rd century B.C. But, there are no Greek manuscripts of the Old Testament dated that early.

    The oldest 'piece' of Old Testament in Greek is what is known as the Rylands Papryus 458 dated 2nd century B.C. It contains (Deut. 23-28). It certainly does not prove that there ever was a so called Septuagint.

    The earliest copy of the so called Septuagint is Origins translation of the Old Testament in Greek dated around 2nd century A.D. It is claimed that this is a copy of the Septuagint. But in actuality, it was just his translation.

    It is my opinion, and others, that when you read about a quote from the Septuagint, you're really reading a quote from Origin.

    Quantrill
     
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    Is there any evidence that Jesus spoke Greek?
     
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    A thorough and deep knowledge of the Bible will answer your query. Trace the series of translations. :)
     
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    Don’t be silly, Q
    Do you know how long it would take for a single person to translate the whole OT from scratch? Although Origen didn’t have to watch the Masked Singer on TV with his wife, so he did have more time to work with.

    Origen compiled the Hexipla, a 6-column comparison of various OT versions, four of them were in Greek.
    Those four Greek versions he compared were versions of the Septuagint.

    You also seem to be connecting Westscott and Hort’s Greek NT (textual criticism of the GNT done in the late 1800’s) with the Greek translations (from Hebrew) of the OT done almost 2000 years earlier.

    Rob
     
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    another error in opinion

    there are quite a few "Church fathers" who lived before Origen, and they quote from the Septuagint that is not his work.
     
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    Not so! the Greek versions of Aquila, Symmachus and Theodotion, are Independent to the LXX, so they can hardly be called "versions" of the LXX!
     
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    Why? One piece of writing containing (Deut. 23-28) does not prove the existence of a 3rd or 4th century B.C. Septuagint.

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    The LXX:

    "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He anointed me to preach good news to the poor: He sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim release to the captives, and recovering the sight of the blind, to announce the acceptable year of the Lord..."

    The Hebrew MT, Syriac, Targum:

    "The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord has anointed me to preach good news to the meek: He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord..."

    The Dead Sea Scrolls:

    "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because YHWH has anointed me to preach good tidings to the weak; ( he has sent me) to bind up the brokenhearted, to call to the captives liberty, and to the imprisoned the opening of prison. To announce the favorable year of YHWH, and the day of vengeance for our God; to comfort all who mourn"
     
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    you need to study actual Textual Criticism for yourself, and you will soon discover that your position is well in error!
     
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    When Westcott/Hort translated the Old Testament quotes found in the New Testament, from what manuscripts did they translate frrom? They translated from the Alexandrian texts. The most important of these being the Alexandrinus, the Vaticanus, and the Sinaiticus. Some of these contain both Old and New Testament writings in Greek, the Vaticanus containing almost all of the Old.

    Thus, their, Westcott/Hort, translations of the Old Testament quotes in the New Testament, match these Alexandrian texts. Why? Because these three major Alexandrian texts probably came from Origen also. It states at the end of Vaticanus that it came from Origens Hexapla. Most likely the others did also.

    Quantrill
     
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    A Septuagint that no one has any proof of that ever existed.

    Quantrill
     
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    your knowledge is very limited!!!

    :Rolleyes
     
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    There isn't any.

    On another point, there aren't any Scriptures that say that the "King James" / ESV / NASB, Latin Vulgate, etc. are what the Lord quoted from, either.;)
    He is the Word made flesh, and He quoted what was given to Him by God the Father to say.
     
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