Pledge of Allegiance not what the Founding Fathers had in mind

Red letter Christian- another phrase for we only believe the parts of the bible we like.

 

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."
(John 18:36 KJV)

How many times did Jesus do anything political?

 

Red Letter Christians are a radical socialist/social justice organization that actually stands opposed to much of the Bible. They are essentially no different than their secular, Marxist counterparts.

Liberalism is ideologically opposed to Christianity at every point. I have had conversations with Red Letter Christians and they define Christianity, not by the words of Jesus, not by the Bible, but by Social Justice. That is also why they support the anti-Semitic BDS movement against Israel.

But more than that, Red Letter Christians, because their definition of Christianity is based on Social Justice, they hold to a works-based system of righteousness, where they reject that faith alone in Jesus alone is sufficient for salvation. They teach salvation by works.

They accept all people of all faiths outside Christianity, as genuine believers and thus they do not hold to Jesus as the sole means of salvation.

They accept homosexuality and embrace the LGBTQ community and believe that practicing homosexuals can be Christians (as long as they follow social justice dictates). They do not see homosexuality as a sin, as declared in the Bible.

They deny the total inspiration of the Word of God. They hold that the epistles of Paul are inferior at best and do not necessarily constitute inspired Scripture.

You mentioned the Sermon on the Mount: They mangle the Sermon on the Mount into a social justice message, as if it applies to government policy, which it does not. The purpose of the Sermon on the Mount was for Jesus to declare that his Kingdom had come and that He was the fulfillment of the Law of Moses.

But the Red Letter Christians have a very unchristian and a very secular view of the Bible. They don't hold to biblical morality. The ones I met have no moral problem with pre-marital sex, have no problem with homosexuality and if we knew the truth, probably have no problem with adultery, either. I spoke with on Red Letter girl in a different message board and she admitted that she moved in with her boyfriend to get away from her Evangelical mother who was trying to get her saved.

They are not Christian at all, to be honest. You would not be able to tell the difference between them and an Atheist who is just a humanitarian. They are not an accurate representation of Jesus or Christianity.

 

First, I would say you are being hypocritical as you are about as political as anyone. Second, you misuse that verse to suit your own agenda but it lacks context and makes you mistaken when you use it this way. Jesus had a different agenda to go to the cross. His disciples did not really understand that and were trying to protect Him when He did not need it, He instead needed to go to the cross. That is the context. Politics is not in view in the verse you quoted.

 

This is not about Jesus' Kingdom. We are being salt and light as conservative Christians and we are taking a stand and earnestly contending for the faith as we are commanded to do. We are exposing the deeds of darkness be they Democrat or Republican. We are not trying to bring down God's Kingdom, but we are standing for the principles of His Word in THIS world. Christians can be politically active.

As for what Jesus did or did not do... Jesus did not preach on politics, but he also did not preach on child molestation, spousal abuse, suicide, incest, pedophilia... Should we also avoid speaking out as Christians on those issues since Jesus did not address them?

 

Trying to have a LOGICAL/FACTUAL discussion with an avowed TDSer is totally pointless, as they will react, not respond!!

 

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Read the end of MAT chapt. 25 and then try to convince me that Jesus wasn't concerned with "social justice." Notice what He says about so-called Christians who reject that concern.

[Mat 25:41-46 KJV] 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

The Jews wanted their Messiah to lead them against Rome and reinstate their nation. Jesus made it clear He did not come to do that. His kingdom was not of this world but of Heaven. That's why they crucified Him. This is at the very heart of the gospel.

 

That's not why they crucified Him. What you stated has nothing to do with the heart of the Gospel.

And besides, that post has nothing to do with what I said in my post.

 

That has nothing to do with social justice. The reason I say that is I simply have to examine what social justice calls for:

• Social justice is about redistribution of earned income that obtained morally and legally;
• It supports same sex marriage;
• LGBT rights;
• It supports the BDS movement which serves as an anti-Semitic protest against the existence of the state of Israel.
• It supports abortion;

Nothing about what social justice actually is, is contained in Matt. 25. In fact, Matt. 25 is a judgement of the natons over their treatment of Jesus' "brethren" the Jewish people. It is the NT corollary to the Lord's judgment of the nations in Joel 3 in the valley of Jehosephat.

On that point alone, the Social Justice movement is very unjust in that it protests Israel over false, misleading claims that Israel stole Palestinian land, that Israel oppresses the Palestinian people and thus, supports the Arab/Muslim initiative which is the full destruction of Israel and the annihilation of the Jewish people. That is the agenda that many in the Social Justice movement support. Social Justices is very anti-Semitic.

In the light of Matt. 25 and Jesus judgement on those who mistreated His brethren, those who support Social Justice initiatives like the BDS movement are the ones going to into eternal destruction, per Matt. 25.

 

They did crucify Him because He claimed to be the Son of God and He performed miracles as well as raising people from the dead. But the reason they rejected Him as the Messiah was He was not the kind of Messiah they were looking for. They were looking for a military leader and He was a man of peace. He made enemies of the Jewish leadership by pointing out their hypocrisy and unworthiness. This is at the heart of the gospel because it describes what kind of man Jesus was and why the Jews hated Him. Jesus did not preach on politics because He didn't come to change the political status quo. He came to save men from their sins and to establish His Kingdom. In the same way, building His Kingdom by sharing the gospel is our real objective as Christians, not to change the political situation.

 

No, they crucified Him because it was the plan of God for Jesus to die as the sin offering for mankind. Jesus went to the cross of His own volition to take upon Himself the full weight of God's judgment of sin, once and for all. All of the other stuff you mention is incidental to why Jesus actually went to the cross.

And yet you support Social Justice which is really just an arm of socialism and the purpose of Social Justice is to change the political system. Social Justice warriors are intent on changing the political system which is whey they are pushing for socialism in the United States. Social Justice is nothing if not completely political in its agenda.

So you really have a problem because you hold up Jesus as being anti-political, while at the same time tying Jesus' teachings to Social Justice which IS highly political in its agenda for not only the US but other parts of the world as well. It's why Social Justice advocates like the "Young Turks" and the Justice Democrats are trying to take over the Democrat party and make it a socialist party and the majority party in Congress in order to implement Socialism in the United States.

You are advocating for a movement that has tried to hijack the teachings of Jesus for their own wicked, humanistic and political purposes.

 

The Bible makes social justice a mandate of faith and a fundamental expression of Christian discipleship. Social justice has its biblical roots in a triune God who time and time again shows his love and compassion for the weak, the vulnerable, the marginalized, the disenfranchised, the disinherited — you get my point. “For Christians, the pursuit of social justice for the poor and oppressed is the decisive mark of being people who submit to the will and way of God,” writes Tim Dearborn in Reflections on Advocacy and Justice.

Biblical references to the word “justice” mean “to make right.” Justice is, first and foremost, a relational term — people living in right relationship with God, one another, and the natural creation. From a scriptural point of view, justice means loving our neighbor as we love ourselves and is rooted in the character and nature of God. As God is just and loving, so we are called to do justice and live in love.

Social justice becomes less about what and more about who we are called to prioritize as followers of Christ. So often we get ensnared in disagreements around the “what” in relation to social justice, because it deals with often contentious issues like budgets, taxation, labor laws, social protections, safety nets, and others.

Social justice is about creating kingdom space in the here and now, giving witness to the ultimate just society yet to come. So every time we use our voice and influence to get in the way of injustice — whether it’s human trafficking, economic exploitation, human rights abuses, or infants dying needlessly from disease and malnutrition — we provide a foretaste of God’s kingdom to come.

 

I certainly agree that it was the plan of God for Jesus to die on the cross. But what did the Jews who crucified him believe or know about that. They had their own reasons which I summarized.

 

You support a party which has used the gospel for political gain. They are pushing a false gospel which combines faith and Republican politics. Roe vs. Wade was passed by a Republican Supreme Court 50 YEARS ago. Despite a lot of talk nothing has really been done about changing it. There have been periods in which the GOP controlled the government during the last 50 years. Why didn't they reverse their position? Because it's a great political advantage to their party. How long will mit take? Another 50 years?

 

The Jews didn't crucify Jesus.

 

The Romans were the agents but the Jews chose for Jesus to die instead of Barabas. They crucified Jesus. But the real answer is more complicated.

Watching massive crowds follow Jesus, the Jewish Pharisees and Sadducees decided to be rid of Jesus and regain their authority among the people.

They arrested Jesus and brought him before the high priest who asked Jesus, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”

Jesus answered, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”13 (This referred to the final judgment of the world, which Jesus was saying he would carry out.)

The high priest immediately charged him with blasphemy, claiming to be God. And they all condemned him as deserving death.

Because the Jewish laws did not allow for capital punishment, the religious leaders brought Jesus before the occupying Roman Gentile government and demanded the death sentence. (Thus, both Jews and Gentiles participated in Jesus’ death.)

Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect (governor) of the area, had the final say. He believed Jesus should be set free. But the Pharisees and Sadducees stirred up the crowds to a mob frenzy and demanded that Jesus be put to death. They called out, “Crucify him! Crucify him!” Pilate gave into the crowds’ demands.

The verdict: death by crucifixion, the Roman government’s method of torture and death.

 

That is not true. It just so happens that many Christians cannot support a radical Democrat party that wants to make America a Socialist hell hole, that wants to abort babies up to the day of delivery that wants to abolish the Electoral College, end our 2nd Amendment rights, a party that is okay with persecuting Christians for exercising their religious freedom in their own places of business, that takes God out of the Oath of Office for the House of Representatives, and many other things that the Democrats want to do that goes against generations of Christian tradition in our nation.

A lot is being done and has been done to get rid of and limit abortion, but sadly our politicians care more about getting re-elected. Abortion is still constitutionally illegal as it was not legalized. the SCOTUS cannot legalize anything. Only the Congress in concert with the Executive branch can bring anything into law.

But finally states are taking the initiative to outlaw abortion in their states and so we are seeing things happen. Not only that but Planned Parenthood is failing to meet regulation standards and their clinics are being shut down. That's a good thing.