Poll: #3, Suicide & Lapsi

StandingfirminChrist: //If John 3:16 is saying whosoever believeth will be saved, then Revelation 21:8 is a lie. //

John 3:16 is saying "whosoever believeth will be saved".
So by your statement: "Revelation 21:8 is a lie".
This contradicts the Baptist Doctrine that All the Bible is true All the time.


Revelation 21:7 (KJV1611 Edition):
He that ouercommeth,
shall inherite all things,
and I will bee his God,
and he shall be my sonne.

This is logic of the form:

If a person overcomes;
then that person shall inherit all things,
Jesus will be his God,
and he will be the son of Jesus.

Note that the following similiar argument
needs to be proved by other scripture:

If a person overcomes NOT;
then that person shall NOT inherit all things,
Jesus will NOT be his God,
and he will NOT be the son of Jesus

Feel Free to show the scripture that says these things.

 

StandingfirminChrist: //If John 3:16 is saying whosoever believeth will be saved, ... //

StandingfriminChrist: //'be saved = 'will not perish, but have everlasting life'//

That message keeps being told over and over in the Holy Scripture.
It is the True Word of God:

Joh 3:14-15 (KJV1611 Edition):
And as Moses lifted vp the serpent in the wildernesse:
euen so must the Sonne of man be lifted vp:
15 That whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
should not perish, but haue eternall life.

John 11:26 (KJV1611 Edition):
And whosoeuer liueth, and beleeueth in mee,
shall neuer die. Beleeuest thou this?

Act 10:43 (KJV1611 Edition):
To him giue all the Prophets witnesse,
that through his Name
whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
shall receiue remission of sinnes.

Yep what is important God says again and again
in His Word (the Holy Bible).

 

StandingfirminChrist: // ... according to your logic ... //

Logic is not personal, logic is public property.
The phrase 'your logic' is illogical. Try the phrase 'according to that logic'.

StandingfriminChrist: // ... my brother is saved because he believes
Jesus is the Son of God and believes Jesus died on the cross of Calvary
for the sins of mankind.//

If he were saved, then he would believe those things.
He doesn't act saved, being a drunk.
The facts you present don't seem to point out a saved person at all.

StandingfirminChrist: //One cannot continue in sin and walk with the Savior.//

Amen, Brother StandingfirminChrist -- Preach it! :thumbs:

 

At least the Roman Catholics have made a provision
that a saved person might be forgiven of any unforgiven
sin that they committed right before they when comotose.
That provision is that a Priest can perform a ritual called
'Last Rites' (or Extreme Unction).

Of course, the penalty of going to eternal Hell Fire
after serving God all one's life sure does keep one from
doing things like being judgmental & llying.
Nah, people who beleive unrepented sin will send a
Christian Saint that Jesus Saved to hell -- those
folks act no different from we who think God might cut
us a bit of slack on our last day of awareness.

Just before she died in 1999, my first wife was concerned
that she would 'die right'. I figure if God don't give one
a few practice dyings - then maybe God doesn't count off
too much for 'dying wrong'.

But meanwhile, if this isn't your last day of awareness,
I recommend working with Jesus to get your today's sins
forgiven.

1 John 1:7-9 (KJV1611 Edition):
But if wee walke in the light, as he is in the light,
wee haue fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Iesus Christ his Sonne
clenseth vs from all sinne.
8 If we say that we haue no sinne,
we deceiue our selues, and the trueth is not in vs.
9 If we confesse our sinnes,
hee is faithfull, & iust to forgiue vs our sinnes,
and to cleanse vs from all vnrighteousnesse.

 

I note that a Lapsi who is martyred had no
chance to ask for forgiveness before being killed
but does NOT 'continue in sin'.

 

ccdnt: //The question as to whether or not someone
that commits suicide will go to heaven will depend
largely on one's view of salvation - OSAS versus
Conditional Security.//

Exactly! Thank you for pointing out the obvious
(some seem not to have seen the obvious yet, so
i'm not even sarcastic when I think you loads for
pointing this out.

Less seriously: We got tired of the topic called
#172 OSAS V. Conditional and came up
with a new topic. BTW, one could always say:

The question as to whether or not someone
that becomes lapsi will go to heaven will depend
largely on one's view of salvation - OSAS versus
Conditional Security.

ccdnt: //Most that believe in OSAS would probably say that suicide would not result in hell for a Christian.//

In fact, I believe that most suicides result in hell because the
person isn't a Christian. It is just that I can think of reasons
that a person might be required to suicide to give
'works to his faith'. But this is probably true in way under
1% of the present suicides. And I also think there are people
who unknowningly commit suicide, especially the slow
suicides (drugs, drinking, & smoking).

 

I lied about 5:25PM CST. But fortunately I've asked for
forgiveness for it AND GOT FORGIVEN.

 

Can I make that a stroke?
Strokes run in my mother's side of the family.

Can you spell F-R-Y?

Seriously, I think God would cut me a bit of slack
in honor of His Wonderful Son: Messiah Jesus.

People told me to ask "What would you say if you
went to heaven and God asked you 'Why should I let
you into my heaven?' "

I think I'd say "Check with Jesus".

If Jesus doesn't let me into heave - I ain't gettin' in at all.