Possible Attack of Freedom of Religion by the Obama Administration

[Athanasian Creed]

If what the article suggested as a possibility, be true, then there would be widespread persecution of Christians in america.

Oh, it's coming...sooner than you think!

The persecution of Christians in America & Canada is increasing to the point of one day it being illegal to be a Christian or preach against such things such as sodomy.

It's already happened to pastors & businessmen up here in Canada and i've heard stories of it happening in the "land of the 'free' and the home of the brave" too.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Awaiting anxiously for the "glorious appearing of the GREAT GOD & our Saviour Jesus Christ"!!!


Ray

 

[Athanasian Creed]

Yet their very own holy book says to kill all those who don't believe in Allah. What does THAT say?

Very good 'annsni', you are one of the few informed ones as to the goals of Islam - world domination, destruction of Israel and of all infidels!

Islam is a Religion of terror/blood:

"I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle." (Qu'ran 8:12)

"If you gain mastery over them (infidels) in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned." (Qu'ran 8:57)

"Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244)

"Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5)

Whoso seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the life to come he shall be among the losers. (Surah 3:86)

Warn the disbelievers of a painful chastisement, excepting those of them with whom you have a pact and have not faulted in any respect, nor supported anyone against you. Carry out the obligations you have assumed towards them till the end of their terms. Surely, Allah loves those who are mindful of their obligations. When a period of four months during which hostilities are suspended expires, without the idolaters having settled the terms of peace with you, resume fighting with them and kill them wherever you find them and make them prisoners and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. (Surah 9:3-6)

Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not in Allah, nor in the last day, nor hold as unlawful that which Allah and His messenger have declared to be unlawful nor follow the true religion, and have not yet made peace with you, until they pay the tax willingly and make their submission. (Surah 9:29).

O ye who believe, what ails you that, when it is said to you: Go forth, all together, to fight in the cause of Allah; you are held down by your worldly interests?…….. …Allah is mighty, Wise. Go forth, light armed or heavy armed, and strive in the cause of Allah with your belongings and your persons. (Surah 9:38-42)

The appropriate penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and run about in the land creating disorder is that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides. ….. …except in the case of those who repent before you obtain power over them. (Surah 5:34-35).


The Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9:5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17).

It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5: 34). “As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). Quran asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The holy Prophet demanded his follower to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47: 4).

According to the Quran, Christians are hiding the truth “deliberately” to lead people astray:
A section of the People of the Book would fain lead you astray, but they only lead themselves astray, only they perceive it not. People of the Book, why do you reject the signs of Allah, having been witness thereof? People of the Book, why do you confound truth with falsehood and hide the truth deliberately? … …They utter a lie against Allah and they know it. (Surah 3:73-79)

O ye who believe, if you obey those who have disbelieved (Jews and Christians), they will cause you to revert to disbelief and you will become losers. Indeed, Allah is your Protector and He is the Best of helpers. We shall strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved because they associate partners with Allah, for which He has sent down no authority. Their abode is the Fire, and evil is the habitation of the wrongdoers. (Surah 3:150-152)


Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword.

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels.

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A.Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369)

The Qu'ran is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam.

"Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do NOT strictly follow the teachings of their founder - A former Muslim and Islamic scholar has said, "We must never imagine that such Muslims are being necessarily wicked. They are simply being faithful to their religion. The fact is never hidden as to the attitude a good Muslim should have towards Christians and Jews. In fact, much of the incitement to violence and war in the whole of the Qu'ran is directed against the Jews and Christians who rejected what they felt to be the strange god Mohammed was trying to preach." {G.J.O. Moshay, Who Is This Allah? (Dorchester House Publications, 1994), p. 24}

I could go on but the above is suffice to them "who have ears to hear"



Ray

 

[Athanasian Creed]

You're right, KenH. We need to defeat terrorists; we've never been at war with Islam.

Oh, but you will be, whether you like it or not. They certainly are at war with 'infidels', which, if you are either a Jew or Christian, fit that category.

Islam terrorists are the TRUE Muslims - they preach it in secret in their mosques on a daily basis. They will stop at nothing until all men confess the blasphemous declaration -

"There is no god but Allah and Mohammad is his prophet"

Capice??! Total Islamization of the whole world!!

Thankfully, Christians know Who the GREAT GOD is - JESUS CHRIST!!!

Hallelujah!!



Ray :jesus:

 

[Athanasian Creed]

I don't believe that most Muslims want to kill you or kill me. If you want to live your life believing such nonsense, you are welcome to it.

Muslims live in a constant state of mistrust of non-Muslims - their 'holy book' and their imams preach hatred against all infidels - especially America (referred to as "The Great Satan") and Israel (Jews referred to as "apes and pigs")

Just wait till the Islamization of the U.S. is complete and they enforce sharia law - then you will see the real spirit of Islam and the false notions of it being a "religion of peace" will rapidly dwindle. It has already happened in targeted parts of Europe (France, Britain) and much of Africa.

And, if you don't believe it can happen in North America, you can "live your life believing such nonsense."



Ray

 

[Athanasian Creed]

I do think we can overreact to this news. It doesn't change what we're called to do. Yes, if this were realized it would change our lives. But let's face it: we're spoiled. If we as Christians had to deal with the kind of persecution they would face in much of the world throughout history, I think we would be way more effective.

There wouldn't be anymore of this comfortable Christianity that is so prevalent.

But so often we fight for the right to be comfortable. Why is that?

Persecution has always served as a way of waking up a slumbering, self-satisfied Church and of separating wheat from chaff.

Contrary to what one might naturally believe, persecution of the Church has increased it's numbers greatly. People seen Christians go through torture and death with a smile on their faces and exclaimed, "Great is the GOD of the Christians!!"

But...who likes to suffer - it runs contrary to our very nature. However, we might just find our greatest joy and fulfillment comes when we are facing real persecution, torture and even death...something to think about eh??!



Ray

 

[Athanasian Creed]

"You may take our lives but you may never take our freedom!"
"Cowardice asks the question - is it safe?
Vanity asks the question - is it popular?
Expediency asks the question - is it political?
But conscience asks the question - is it right?
There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, popular, or political; but because it is right."
- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

"This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigor we arise again and take our stand as in olden times."
- Winston Churchill, 1938 (as he was trying to rally and awaken the sleeping, apathetic British people to their growing danger from the Nazis)

"When the State is most corrupt the Laws are most multiplied."
- Tacitus, Roman orator and historian

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts ... the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be ... The people cannot be safe without information. When the press is free, and every man is able to read, all is safe."
- Thomas Jefferson

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
- Thomas Paine

"The right to freedom being the gift of God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." - Samuel Adams

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."
- Thomas Jefferson

"It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error."
- United States Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now we bleat like sheep for security."
- Norman Vincent Peale

"The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is it will be unnecessary until they try to take it away."
- General Omar Bradley

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
- Winston Churchill

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen to set brushfires in the peoples' minds." - Samuel Adams

"Humans are moral enough to make democracy possible, and sinful enough to make it necessary."
- Theologian Reinhold Niebuhr

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy ?"
- Mahatma Gandhi

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
- Albert Einstein

"You have enemies ? Good !! That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."
- Winston Churchill

"If you don't control your mind, someone else will."
- John Allston

"What is a man born for other than to be a reformer, a remaker of what has been made, a denouncer of lies, a restorer of truth and good"
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
- Ronald Reagan

Just a few tidbits on other's thoughts on what freedom entails (or doesn't entail)



Ray