Pre-Age of Reason children.

I think its great (sarcasm) that this has now been turned on the Catholics. The only person that has attempted to answer this that is non-Catholic is Bob, and he's SDA.

DHK says we're saved by grace. But in other threads he stresses faith is key, that one needs to ACCEPT CHRIST. Babies cannot do this in the sense that is implied. Therefore, if babies go to heaven, then they get there by means other than "accepting Christ."

Gina says she doesn't know how, and its not in Scripture, and frankly its not that important. Is this the general consensus?

 

I agree with Gina. We do not know. The bible does not tell us, so God, in his infinite wisdom, has decided that we don't need to know.

I look at it this way. I believe God is 100% happy in extending grace. I believe it is his favorite thing to do. Forgive. Extend mercy. That what the bible says about him not willing that any should perish is true.

And I know your going to accuse me of not undertsanding RCCism, but it really does seem to me that you believe God is chomping at the bit to cast souls into hell. That one slip up & away we go. That God would punish the baby for the parent's neglect. Sorry, I don't buy it. Baptism does not save.

How about those babies who die before they can be sprinkled ? (If it's been discussed, forgive me.) Or aborted babies ?

And remember, be nice!!!!

 

Yup. It's not in the bible. So God, in his infinite wisdom has decided that it's really not important that we know.

I believe forgiveness of sin is God's favorite thing to do. It seems that you worship a God that wants to cast you into hell for not living up to his expectations. That's what I see.

How about those babies who die before being baptized ? Would God send them to hell for their parent's neglect ? Aborted babies ? Is this covered in scripture ? (If it's been answered before now, please forgive.)

Do you really believe sprinkling water on a baby saves their soul ?

Be nice. That's an honest question.

 

Adam - did I upset "your view" of "Holy Water"? Do you know how to "make" Holy Water Adam?

no. Either you are spouting more anti-Catholic rhetoric or you don't pray at dinner time at your home.

You and your friends Ray and rbrent have shown enough lack of charity that if I wasn't firmly grounded in my faith, I'd be more likely to follow those that openly show the love of Christ when engaged in discussion. (and no, on this board, it isn't the Baptists).

 

I did not contradict the cataechism in this instance. I had my two babies baptized as the priest suggested (and at that time believed to be right) and he said, "now they are safe".

BTW, both of those babies are now Baptist and serving the Lord. One is a Baptist Pastor.

I will continue to contradict the catechism in most other areas because it is false doctrine and I am vehemently opposed to false doctrine being preached!

When I was growing up, we were definitely NOT encouraged to read the Bible. I was censored and had to 'confess' my sin every time I visited a protestant church with one of my relatives!!!!

We were also censored for bowing our head when a protestant prayed (God didn't HEAR their prayers)!

I have been a catholic...have you ever been a Baptist?


§ue

 

Yup. It's not in the bible

But doesn't this contradict "Sola Scripture". How can something so important "how babies are saved" is not in the Bible. I tought you all were Sola Scriptura beleivers.

Thanks
Armando

 

Let me try saying this really slow.
There...is...no...proof...posititve...of...it...in...the...scriptures...either...way.
Therefore, I don't have a firm belief in it one way or the other. I have an opinion, which I've already given and stated is such, that's as far as it goes no matter how many times you ask.
Gina

 

Whaaaaaaat???!!!?!??!! How does that contradict "sola scriptura", or whatever it is you say I believe. (Sola scritura is a Latin term, I assume.) If it means I look to the bible only for God's revelations, then I guess I can say O.K, I believe it. But I prefer to put it like this....

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Look, it's not in the bible, so I refuse to make up, or believe in a made up doctrine. Why is it so important that you know ?

And why all the name calling, and angry faces ? Why does it bother you so much that we trust God, not man-made doctrines ?

 

I NEVER said that. Nice try. The bible is full of people who slipped, and were still saved. But you keep trying to derail the conversation, don't you ?

Oh well. I guess it really does bug you, enough to lie about me.

 

Note this is a tangential comment:

Bro Curtis said:

Quote: "(Sola scritura is a Latin term, I assume.) If it means I look to the bible only for God's revelations, then I guess I can say O.K, I believe it. But I prefer to put it like this....

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." End quote.

Just a question, Curtis,: Was not the New Testament "added" unto His words after the Proverbs verse noted above?


And on topic: I think Gina and Curtis are closest to what the Church teaches on this matter. That is that it, (it being: the eternal spiritual well-being of children who die before being baptized) is best left to the mercy of God.

I think Thess's point is that for a Protestant to believe this it can only be supported from an extra-biblical perspective. which of course begs the question on Sola-Scriptura.

Sorry for the aside.
Stephen

 

What does "tangential" mean ?

 

Tangental is to two-dimensions what orthogonal is to ...

Bob

 

Curtis, we're supposed to ask Dr. Bob what the big words mean.
Gina

 

Now that one I like..

 

In addition Christ said of these small infants "Their angels do always behold the face of My Father" adding "Whoever then causes one of the least of these to stumble - it is better for him that a millstone was hung around his neck".

Paul says that the children are sanctified by the believing parent(s).

In any case - these scriptures providing more than enough evidence that "To him who KNOWS to do right and does it not to HIM it is sin" James 4:17.

Ignoring these arguments from scripture with hands over ears saying "I still don't hear anything" - is not "A compelling counter argument".

The "desperate" desire to see "RCC at all costs" in this subject does not serve either RC member OR casual-Bible-readers well in making their case.

The serious Bible student will have their answer. Those unnaccustomed to making their case "sola scriptura" will find room to invent their own views here.

In Christ,

Bob