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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Earth Wind and Fire, Jun 22, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

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    remember Roman's 1 is about being without excuse because what be known about God is manifest ect . If all of these revelations: creation , conscience, the bible, The Gosepl , Jesus are not able to be discerned how could a person be able to accept the truth so as to be saved . A baby for example could not accept the truth so as to be saved . I think we can deduce from that who or would not be without excuse on the day of Judgement . A brain injury for example I would place in the same category. Praise God .
     
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    So those said to be enemies of God, against Him, and preferring the darkness to ;ight, who do not seek after Him, can then just turn to Him?
     
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    The Lord shall do the right thing in regards to her!
     
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    Not I. Where would be the mercy element?
     
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    The truth is in plain sight. Those who perish, Revelation 20:15, "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
    Jesus taught, Mark 10:14, "Allow the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God." And in Matthew 18:3, "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." And to Nicodemus, John 3:3, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." To which Nicodemus asked, "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" Then Jesus exlained.
    Now John wrote, 1 John 5:4, "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." And one of the promises, Revelation 3:5, "He that overcometh, . . . I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . ."
    The interpreation being that all names begin in God's book, so the reason Christ died for many being the whole world, is so names can be kept in the book, 1 John 2:2. Nowhere in the word of God does it speak of names being added to the book, but being removed do to sin, Exodus 32;33, Psalms 69:27-28. Little children are safe because for whom Christ died. We must again become children to God.
     
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    Again THE Adoption does not happen until we are glorified .
     
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    We have overcome if we are born again .
     
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    There are the books ( plural ) in heaven and the book ( singular ' We are only Judged by the one book . The one with or without our names . No one is going to be in Hell because of sin . But because they refused to believe the truth so as to be saved .
     
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    Nowhere in the bible does it say some are chosen for heaven before they are born
     
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    No one is pre destined to be saved . It's clear as day that we are predestined to future glorification( THE ADOPTION)
     
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    Barry, why do you keep arguing with yourself. Multiple times I see you arguing with your own quote. Why are you doing that?

    As for your assertion here:

    You have been shown your error, regarding adoption, by multiple person's. It is obvious your position is false.
     
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    The word Predestination means whatever Calvernism says it means .
     
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    Because repeatedly folks keep saying the Adoption is whenwhen we are saved which clearly in rom 8
    22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
    simple question . When is the Adoption please ?
     
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    how can you be waiting for the Adoption if you have alread y have it ?
     
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    SIX hour warning

    This thread will close at 730 pm EDT / 430 pm PDT Friday 26 Jun
     
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    Even an enemy can respond to God as we see all throughout the bible. Being a sinner separated from God does not mean that he is unable to positively respond to God when he brings truth.
     
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    So Y! finally after years and years of denial admits Calvinist is bogus and that God credits our faith as righteousness!
    Anyone who believes Y! does not indeed deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24 might be open to buying a bridge in Brooklyn.
     
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    I know the verses are there, but question your understanding of what it means!
     
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    None seek after God. correct?
     
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