Pride is a virtue in the ESV, NASB, NIV

Craig, people like Will are constantly searching for ANYTHING to try to support their KJVO myth. Many of them place the myth above the truth, or value it above any other Christian principle except their own salvation. Will goes from board to board desperately searching for someone to believe his folly. On the boards he moderates, he bans people like me who challenge and refute the KJVO baloney. I firmly believe he's a Christian, but he sure has fallen into a quagmire of false doctrines that cripple his ability to be a soldier for the Lord.

I firmly believe that every Christian has a D-U-T-Y to fight false doctrines wherever & whenever he/she finds them, and KJVO is about as false as they get. While not as deadly a doctrine as "salvation by works" or "Mariolatry", it's nonetheless just as false and this is the message we must convey to the "newbies" or those citizens who don't have a full command of English.

There have been purveyors of bunk ever since Christianity began, and there will continue to be until the devil is tossed into gehenna. Our job is to prove them wrong, and this I will continue to do long as God wills.

In Christ,

Cranston

 

Cranston,

I agree that this is a war that needs to be fought, but I believe that it is primarily a spiritual battle and that the attacks against the truth are coming from the powers of darkness. I did not mean to imply that Will is not a Christian, but whatever his spiritual state may be, he is allowing Satan to use him to harm the kingdom of God. If we are not careful to be in the will of God as we fight this war, there may be casualties from friendly fire. I will pray some more as to what God would have me to do. There is more than one way to put out a fire. Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, and other Christian bodies do not allow such teachings in their fellowships; why must Baptists allow them?

 

Speaking of "friendly fire"(if aimed at me, it's definitely unfriendly, regardless of source), we've all been a little uptight lately. So, let us bask in the knowledge that as long as we have "military intelligence", we should never feel stupid and DEFINITELY not unsafe!

EXAMPLES OF MILITARY INTELLIGENCE, garnered from my 4 years in the USN, and from younger vets such as my nephew:


1. "Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." --
Paul Rodriguez

2. "A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when
you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's
left of your unit" - Army's magazine of preventive maintenance.

3. "Aim towards the Enemy" - Instruction printed on US Rocket Launcher, along with arrow pointing to muzzle

4. When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is no longer our friend.(U.S. Marine
Corps.)

5. Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate. The bombs always hit
the ground.(U.S. Air Force.)

6. If the enemy is in range, so are you.(Infantry Journal.)

7. It is generally inadvisable to eject directly over the area you just
bombed.(U.S. Air Force Manual.)

8. Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never
encountered automatic weapons. (Gen. MacArthur.)

9. Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo.(Infantry Journal.)

10. You, you, and you . . . Panic. The rest of you, come with me. (U.S.
Marine Corp Gunnery Sgt.)

11. Tracers work both ways.(U.S. Army Ordnance.)

12. Five second fuses only last three seconds. (Infantry Journal.)

13. Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last, and don't ever
volunteer to do anything. (U. S Navy Swabbie.)

14. Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid.(David
Hackworth.)

15. If your attack is going too well, you have walked into an
ambush.(Infantry Journal.)

16. No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection.(Joe Gay.)

17. Any ship can be a minesweeper . . . once.(Admiral Hornblower.)

18. Never tell the Platoon Sergeant you have nothing to do.(Unknown Marine
Recruit.)

19. Don't draw fire; it irritates the people around you.(Your Buddies.)

20. Mines are equal opportunity weapons.(Saddam Hussein.)

21. If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission
properly.(David Hackworth.)

22. There's no such thing as "overkill". Dead is DEAD. (My captain, aboard the DLG "Wainwright")

 

Will, I see you're trying to play the avoidance game with me again. You sought to get rid of me and a few other gadflies who kept sticking our stingers into your balloons by banning us from boards you moderate, and where you cannot ban us, you simply ignore our posts. Well, it WON'T WORK. The other readers see right through your little smokescreen, and the newer readers wonder why you won't answer our questions, except for the reason that the correct answers spell yet more evidence that KJVO is a man-made, false myth. Your 'silence' means, "I am clueless".

Let's deal with just one little thing now. You mantioned the "Laodicean" church of today, and I mentioned that's the THIRD false doctrine I've seen you dabble in. For the sake of the other readers who may not be familiar, here's how that false doctrine goes:

The "Church Age" doctrine was begun by William Marrion Branham (1909-1865), a false prophet from Kentucky, who also taught, among other falsehoods & heresies, modalism(that there's only one Divine Being, who assumes the role of Father, Son, or Holy Ghost, as the occasion demands), and the blasphemous "serpent seed" doctrine( It says Eve had sex with the serpent, and that Cain was the serpent's offspring!) now preached by Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel.He was a major advocate of the phony "Latter rain" movement. Anyway, here's the Church Age Doctrine.

This doctrine says that the 7 churches to which Jesus commanded John to send letters in Revelation 1 represent seven distinct ages of development in the overall state of churches since John's day These divisions are:

1. Ephesus,33-100 AD.The church that left its first love.

2.Smyrna, 100-312. The church that was both rich & poor.

3.Pergamos, 312, 590. Church both poor and rich.

4. Thyatira, 590-1517. The Dark Age, RCC dominant,church needs more works of love .

5. Sardis, 1517-1590. The church is almost dead.

6. Philadelphia, 1750-1925. Missionary, "brotherly love".

7. Laodicea, 1925, present. Apostate.

These are Branham's division of the "Church Ages". others have made different divisions, but I think these are the "originals".

Let's deal with the most recent of these "ages". The "Philadelphia Age" was supposed to be the age of the grattest time of true worship so far in history, but what were a few events during its span? The American Revolution, mumerous wars between England & France, including the career of Napoleon, who conquered more territory, fought & won more battles, & was responsible for more deaths than anyone before him, the Crimean War, the American Civil War, and the greatest war ever until that time-WWI, in which over 30 million people died. Also, there was the American Reconstruction, the most corrupt period in American history. These are but a few events that show this period was almost the opposite of a period of great revival and piety. As for this "Laodicean" period, we've seen the end of the Diaspora & an unprecedented growth of TRUE churches.

In short, Jesus' TRUE message to us is a warning that all seven types of church existed then and now, and what He wants us to avoid in whatever church we're in. Sadly, all 7 types exist within the Baptist fold, as we can easily see.

YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN, WILL! How can you believe any doctrine started by the likes of Branham? He was more apostate than Wilkinson, on the order of Joseph Smith!Are you so eaten up with KJVO that you're allowing these other false doctrines to gain a foothold in your mind? I pray that you rid yourself of all that garbage, including KJVO. But for someone like YOU to believe something from the likes of BRANHAM is simply mind-boggling!

But as I've said, false begets false, and long as you're so consumed by one false doctrine, there's fertile ground for others to enter. You've shown all of us quite an example of one false doctrine plowing the ground for others to grow in the same field.

 

Well, that is the long summary status

Here is the short summary:
Ed's arguments were all ignored.
Robycop3 won hands down.

 

I'll defend the use of the word 'kauchesis' that is the word that all of the versions are translating. There's plenty of support there found in the original manuscript. Your argument is with the inspired authors who used that word.

 

Will Kinney:"Anyway, the main point which was the difference between "rejoicing" and "being proud" was lost on you, and instead you latched onto this Laodicean remark, which was and continues to be a peripheral side note."

YOU made the remark, Will. And it made us think that you actually believed a doctrine spread by a modern-day charlatan, Branham. If you don't believe it, GREAT! I guess I'll chalk it up to not-the-best phraseology on your part.

Yes, you're correct in saying Darby first "organized" that "church Age" bunk in America, but it took Branham, using radio & TV to spread it.

Will:"Now if you care to defend the promotion of pride and boasting found in the NASB, NIV, ESV, then go right ahead and let's see if you have any Biblical support for such foolishness. Afterall, that was the main point of the original posting."

Quite easily done, Will. Paul, who had a 'hotline' to Jesus, used 'kauchesis'. You know Paul was a highly-educated man who knew the Greek of his day thoroughly. There are several other Greek words which mean "rejoice" more clearly than does'kauchesis'. Some such words are 'chairo'(Matthew 5:12),'agalliao'(John 5:35),and 'euphraino'(Acts 2:26) Hey, Paul used the word GOD placed into his mind. Now, who was right, you, or Paul?

Will:"The Bible does tell us very clearly in many passages that the church will go steadily down hill towards full blown apostasy in the last days before the return of Christ."

Yes, and the spread of the KJVO myth & other false doctrines is one sign of that apostasy's coming to pass.

 

Cranston:

We are "purveyors" of Truth and yall fight ever so desparately to prove otherwise because of the demonic influence of pride. That is what Bro. Will has said many times.

Yes,yes. we know all too well the myth of the KJVO label and the accusation of the "false doctrine". I suppose, by your opinion, this apostacy took a giant leap towards the "bitter end" in 1611? Hah! We're certain it took at definite leap downward around 1870!

Hint: We didn't attack the KJB, your "buddies" w/h have lead you astray.

Why is it you boast of the "more easily understood" when the world has slid downward all the while the devil has greased the slide with mv's? Ooooo! I know yall don't like that! But that's o.k., NEITHER DOES THE devil!

 

Cranston:

Well, I'll hand it to you, you have finally realized we have fertile ground, yall are still trying to plow The Rock of Gibraltar!

 

Quickening Spirit:"We are "purveyors" of Truth and yall fight ever so desparately to prove otherwise because of the demonic influence of pride. That is what Bro. Will has said many times."
Sorry, Sir, but if you're publicly advocating KJVO, you're a purveyor of bunk whenever you do it. KJVO is a PROVEN-FALSE, doctrine, clearly man-made, without one word of Scriptural support. it's not a matter of PRIDE-that would be a KJVO trait, as they seem proud of their myth. All WE do is reject that myth due to lack of evidence.


QS:"Yes,yes. we know all too well the myth of the KJVO label and the accusation of the "false doctrine". I suppose, by your opinion, this apostacy took a giant leap towards the "bitter end" in 1611? Hah! We're certain it took at definite leap downward around 1870!"

While the KJVO doctrine is itself a myth, its existence is NOT a myth. While there's no formal "WWWdotKJVOdotORG/", there are many who hold the false belief that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation, and present the same arguments that the older purveyors of bunk have used for decades.

QS:"Hint: We didn't attack the KJB, your "buddies" w/h have lead you astray."

Astray from WHAT?

W&H are long dead. Most of the BVs you cats try to put down were written long after those fellers croaked. Sorry,Sir, but trying to blame W&H for most of the current world's probs went out with the Model-T.

QS:"Why is it you boast of the "more easily understood" when the world has slid downward all the while the devil has greased the slide with mv's? Ooooo! I know yall don't like that! But that's o.k., NEITHER DOES THE devil!"

Actually, the devil has "greased the slide" with false doctrines such as KJVO. Hey, my war against false docs isn't limited to just KJVO-I simply don't discuss the others here very much because that's not what this forum's about.

Now, how about answering some basic questions about KJVO? You say KJVO is valid while I say it's false. Wanna prove me wrong? OK, IS KJVF GOD OR MAN? If you say, "God", please post proof.

 

And I said earlier, the inspired authors used that word. You argument is with them.

Head to Thayer's and take a peek.