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Proposal to arm the slaves by Maj. Gen. Patrick Cleburne, CSA

Discussion in 'History Forum' started by carpro, Sep 16, 2014.

  1. carpro

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    http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/patrick-r-cleburne-et-al.html


    Patrick Cleburne's Proposal to Arm Slaves
    JANUARY 2, 1864


     
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    Would the war have turned out differently if his controversial advice had been taken? It might have turned history on it's ear.
     
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    My guess is that lots of slave owners would have met an early death had their slaves been armed. We will never know, we can only speculate. I am more sure that lots of overseers and patty rollers would have met an early death.
     
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    For masters that were brutal - that may be true.
    but for masters that worked in the fields with his slaves - different story?
     
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    Why would it be?

    Brutality is brutality, whether a hands-on master in the fields brutalizes you himself, or hires an overseer to do so.
     
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    Evidently you have no ideal what I am talking about
     
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    You're presenting a false dichotomy: brutal masters and 'masters that worked in the fields with his [sic] slaves'.
     
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    Lets see if I understand your correctly?

    You believer that ALL slave owners were brutal to their slaves?
     
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    I'm saying you're presenting a false dichotomy: brutal masters and 'masters that worked in the fields with his [sic] slaves'.

    Were you intending to contrast brutal masters and non-brutal masters?
     
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    If you don't want to answer my question, than I suppose the conversation is over.
     
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    For sake of clarity let's say brutal versus non-brutal. There is probably some truth in your statement. We will never know for sure.

    I am not sure what behavior would be recognized as non-brutal. The slave holders who were rich enough to have overseers might have been in danger even if they were not brutal as often, at least from my readings, the overseers were the really bad guys.

    For those who owned one or two slaves, they had to work alongside their slaves. I expect they were not brutal as they had so much of their resources invested in the one or two slaves it was in their, the owners, best interest to treat them well and keep them healthy.

    I wonder if anyone has conducted a Ph.D. study on the treatment of slaves by various sized farms and plantations?

    Regardless, IMHO, slavery was a completely indefensible institution in our history.
     
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