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Proverbs 31:6-7. Specific Command or general principle?
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We all are perishing; and likewise, we each are poor...in spirit.
I do not apply any rigidity to this passage; Instead, though wrongly no doubt, I see this as a spiritual statement, they who are 'dying', all are dying in their natural state, give strong drink; thus strong truth; they who are poor give wine, still speaking of doctrine.
think about, disagree if you wish, but if you are looking for an argument from me, you will be disappointed...and that's a promise.
How ya doing brother JerryL? Still at Charleston Bottoms aka, Spurlock Station?
May God Bless,
bro. Dallas:wavey:
I do not apply any rigidity to this passage; Instead, though wrongly no doubt, I see this as a spiritual statement, they who are 'dying', all are dying in their natural state, give strong drink; thus strong truth; they who are poor give wine, still speaking of doctrine.
think about, disagree if you wish, but if you are looking for an argument from me, you will be disappointed...and that's a promise.
How ya doing brother JerryL? Still at Charleston Bottoms aka, Spurlock Station?
May God Bless,
bro. Dallas:wavey:
i believe Christ is a complete and whole redeemer. He has died for all my sin(s); leaving not one off; else HE is NOT a Redeemer, but I myself become that propitiation.
I need none other to judge me for Christ has already answered in my stead.
Who would desire any other redeemer or any less redemption?
:1_grouphug:
bro. Dallas
I need none other to judge me for Christ has already answered in my stead.
Who would desire any other redeemer or any less redemption?
:1_grouphug:
bro. Dallas
Hi Brother Dallas. No I left Spurlock the week after I spoke with you. I went closer to home, Marathon Refinery, Ashland KY. Good hearing from you.Frogman said:We all are perishing; and likewise, we each are poor...in spirit.
I do not apply any rigidity to this passage; Instead, though wrongly no doubt, I see this as a spiritual statement, they who are 'dying', all are dying in their natural state, give strong drink; thus strong truth; they who are poor give wine, still speaking of doctrine.
think about, disagree if you wish, but if you are looking for an argument from me, you will be disappointed...and that's a promise.
How ya doing brother JerryL? Still at Charleston Bottoms aka, Spurlock Station?
May God Bless,
bro. Dallas:wavey:
Linda64 said:What does Acts 20 have to do with this topic...which is Proverbs 31:6-7. The Holy Spirit should be the overseer of every child of God. A person who is not led by the Spirit will surely fall under his own devices.
What new Christian understands the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer? Who teaches them in Mt. 28:19, 20.
My posting was in response to the post by C4K He says the verse says "Give Christ to those who are about to wander."
Read Acts 20 and see the role of the overseers and the role of the Holy Spirit.
Notice in Acts 20 where Paul addressed the elders and what he said about the wolves coming in and who was supposed to protect the people from them. I cannot imagine any Christian for one second telling the Holy Spirit that it is his responsibility to raise their children instead of the parents.
standingfirminChrist said:Christ Jesus is my strong drink.
You may apply it that way, but that verse was not written as a personal word of advice to you. That verse was written for all people to read and apply. That verse is not a matter of your own personal interpretation.
2 Timothy 3:16, 17, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."
2 Peter 1:20, 21, "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
JerryL said:If my "doctrine" had been shown to be this foolish as I have read in catching up today, there isn't enough money to get me to ever post here again. This is ridiculous. SFIC, you CAN'T be as ignorant as you appear?
If you were to read C.H. McIntosh you would find much the same thing. His books were full of darbyism.
standingfirminChrist
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Good... apply it.gb93433 said:You may apply it that way, but that verse was not written as a personal word of advice to you. That verse was written for all people to read and apply. That verse is not a matter of your own personal interpretation.
2 Timothy 3:16, 17, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."
2 Peter 1:20, 21, "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
Go out and buy a bottle of Jack Daniels... or even two. Take them to your lost neighbors... or even your lost loved ones and let them drink and forget their misery.
We all are dying every moment. With every breath, we are that closer to death.
So eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
You can pass the bottle... I will serve Christ to the lost.
Then if you are ever in great pain I will give you a gospel tract rather than a painkiller.You can pass the bottle... I will serve Christ to the lost.
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Dale-c said:Then if you are ever in great pain I will give you a gospel tract rather than a painkiller.
The tract will do much better in the hands of the lost, dale.
I don't need it. I am already saved and secure in my walk with the Lord.
Of course, if your tract is pushing limited atonement, it ain't gonna do the lost much good either.
When did you become a universalist?Of course, if your tract is pushing limited atonement, it ain't gonna do the lost much good either.
What is the point of evangelizing if all are saved already anyway?
standingfirminChrist
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Dale-c said:When did you become a universalist?
What is the point of evangelizing if all are saved already anyway?
1. I am not a universalist. Don't accuse me of such.
2. All are not saved. Not all will be saved. Those who will not be saved will not be saved only because they rejected the gift of Salvation that Christ paid for on the Cross. If they die and go to hell, they go with their sins paid for.
1 John 2:2 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Eternal life is offered to all because of Christ's death.
Well you are consisten on this one. You believe that God is unjust and will punish an innocent person?If they die and go to hell, they go with their sins paid for.
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Dale-c said:Well you are consisten on this one. You believe that God is unjust and will punish an innocent person?
God is not unjust, dale. Don't accuse me of saying He is. Every thing He does is just.
Scripture declares He died for the sins of the whole world. I know it is hard for you to understand what whole means, but it means not one single person was exempt from Salvation if they would trust Him as their Savior.
On this much I agree but if he paid the ransom for the sin of those in hell, what sin causes them to go to hell? Is it just the sin of unbelief that sends them to hell?but it means not one single person was exempt from Salvation if they would trust Him as their Savior.
I have heard people preach that.
By the way, let's don't hijack this thread.
I started another one for this topic.
Roger (C4K) posted this:
So, SFIC, do you believe this would be a good rendering of this passage as you see it?Would you accept this rendering Ron?
Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink [Christ]; nor for princes [Christ]:
Pro 31:5 Lest they drink [Christ], and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
Pro 31:6 Give [Christ] unto him that is ready to [wander], and [Christ] unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Pro 31:7 Let him drink [Christ], and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
If not, why not? Would I not just be applying your own translation?
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Seeing as how they haven't been addressed yet, here are my questions again.
Can you give us one Hebrew scholar who agrees with you about the word perish in those verses?
I have another question. If it's blasphemy to say that Jesus drank alcohol, how is it not blasphemy to say that Jesus is "strong drink"?
We are taught that the Bible interprets itself. Therefore, there should be another Scripture that backs up your contention that Jesus Christ is "strong drink". Is there one?
Don't expect an answer.Seeing as how they haven't been addressed yet, here are my questions again.
SFIC is de facto pope around here.
He is the one gifted with all proper interpretation.
We are simply laymen who don't know anything and can't understand the Bible without his interpretation.
or maybe he will answer.
I need to go to bed. I am tired of being nice. I am not even trying to be nice to SFIC anymore. I need to call it quits for a bit.
How does your theology work in conjunction with Eccl. 12:6-7?standingfirminChrist said:Good... apply it.
Go out and buy a bottle of Jack Daniels... or even two. Take them to your lost neighbors... or even your lost loved ones and let them drink and forget their misery.
We all are dying every moment. With every breath, we are that closer to death.
So eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
You can pass the bottle... I will serve Christ to the lost.
They use morphine all the time in hospitals. Perhaps you should get a little better educated about the pain that some go through when they are near death.
standingfirminChrist
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You obviously don't have a clue. Christ took the sting of death.
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