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Psalm 83 found in Irish bog

Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Jul 26, 2006.

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  1. LadyEagle

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  2. El_Guero

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    Does seem to indicate that Israel is bogged down in a war . . .
     
  3. rbell

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    Here it is:

    Psalm 83

    A song. A psalm of Asaph.

    1 O God, do not keep silent;
    be not quiet, O God, be not still.

    2 See how your enemies are astir,
    how your foes rear their heads.
    3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
    they plot against those you cherish.
    4 "Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation,
    that the name of Israel be remembered no more."
    5 With one mind they plot together;
    they form an alliance against you-
    6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
    of Moab and the Hagrites,
    7 Gebal, [a] Ammon and Amalek,
    Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
    8 Even Assyria has joined them
    to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.
    Selah
    9 Do to them as you did to Midian,
    as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,
    10 who perished at Endor
    and became like refuse on the ground.
    11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
    all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
    12 who said, "Let us take possession
    of the pasturelands of God."
    13 Make them like tumbleweed, O my God,
    like chaff before the wind.
    14 As fire consumes the forest
    or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,
    15 so pursue them with your tempest
    and terrify them with your storm.
    16 Cover their faces with shame
    so that men will seek your name, O LORD.
    17 May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;
    may they perish in disgrace. 18 Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD—
     
  4. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Actually, according to yesterday's Irish Independent it was an entire psalter. Psalm 83 was immediately readable though.

    It was found about 5 miles from where I live :).

    The story is amazing. If you knew how peat is cut and processed it is indeed a miralce that it was not destroyed, turned into part of a peat briquette and burned in someone's fireplace.
     
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    :laugh: :laugh:

    You're funny, man.
     
  6. Baptist in Richmond

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    I wonder what the KJVO crowd thinks about a text that predates their beloved 1769 Revision. I might just have to check that discussion thread.

    This was a great story, and it will make you think twice about digging in your back yard, huh?

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  7. rbell

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    It might "bog down" their arguments.

    :laugh:
     
  8. David Michael Harris

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    Yes its cool, but will probably bolster the Irish thought that they own Christian religion and add many more to the confines of seperation from God.

    The Irish are a race that need to hear the Gospel, not anything else. It hears a lot of damning stuff from the RC org as it is.

    Blessed are they that hear the word of God and obey it.

    David
    Lourdes.
     
  9. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Sorry, I don't understand this claim that the Irish think they own Christianity. After living here almost 12 years I haven't seen that mindset at all.

    Perhaps you could explain this a bit further please.
     
  10. David Michael Harris

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    Actually I was just referring to Irish people I met while living and working in Lourdes. The vast majority of the RC Irish here think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, yet I would dare to say that it's a hard job to find a true Christian amongst them. One of the reasons why I am against the RC church is that their leadres just let them get on with it and fail to tell them they need to be saved. The Irish are a very proud people when it comes to their identity and a find like that will only bolster their pride and further add to their blindness.

    Nothing I would like more than to see Irish RC people become Christians.

    Sorry I forgot in the original post to state where my sentiments where coming from.

    Thanks

    David
     
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    Funny isn't it? When people think that they are pushing others away from God, they are pushing God away from themselves.

    Pray for David.
     
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    News headline from IOL (Ireland On-line)

    UPDATE

     
  13. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I live with the Irish everyday and have for almost 12 years. Lourdes is not a good indication of the Irish people. Only the devoutly Catholic go to Lourdes. The problem with the Irish today is not their Catholic tradition (though that does still play into things) but their new love of the all-mighty euro. They wont make anything off of this - except maybe a few tourist dollars when this psalter goes on display in the museum, even then the museum is free.


    Before 1992 I could understand your feelings. After being rocked by scandal after scandal there is not much left to be proud of in the Catholic Church here. Numbers are falling and priests are being imported from Africa and other areas to fill empty pastoral positions in empty churches.

    I think this is a terribly exciting find - I can't wait till it is on display. Not a single one of my many Irish Catholic friends has said - "Wow - this proves that we are the greatest thing on earth! I don't need to accept Christ, this proves that you are wrong and we are right."
     
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    Yes, please pray for me.

    As I said my sentiments are from my own personal experience.
     
  15. David Michael Harris

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    The ( non professing to be Christian ) Irish people are like everyone else, they need to hear the Gospel, the North of Ireland where Protestantism is strong has the same problem, Ireland seems to have this thing about being a major player of Christianity, yet many many people are being duped.

    Yes I think the find is great, but to me it seems another thing to bolster the problem they have. What Ireland needs is more 'true Christians' thats all.

    I guess I am displaying my displeasure of 'socialised Christianity' where people think they are Christians and they are not. What Ireland needs is not some item of interest but the Gospel, pure and unadulterated. per se.

    David
     
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    I agree, yet today there is no semblance of Christianity left here other than empty churches and seminaries.

    Ireland would not call herself a Christian country - this is "post-Catholic Ireland" where the euro is the only god.

    I agree completely that Ireland needs the gospel - that is why I am here, but fail to see anything negative in such a brilliant find.
     
  17. David Michael Harris

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    I am glad you find no negativness in it.

    I should'nt either but I do. I have a displeasure against falsehood mainly through my own experiences as a Christian, that, coupled with my intense desire to tell people about Christ, fires me up and times. God bless you where you are.

    David
     
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    Maybe I am pragmatic - I get to go see it in a few months :)
     
  19. Chris L.

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    How many IFB's do you think are in Ireland? How are they treated by the secular and Catholic Irish?
     
  20. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I would basically know all of them, depending on your definition of IFB. At the furtherst stretch of the imagination, maybe 300 out of a population of 4 million plus, at least as many in the much smaller Northern Ireland.

    How are we received? Depends on how we treat these folks. I am almost always treated with resept and decency. It takes a LONG time to get them to listen to our message though.
     
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