Put a Fork in Santorum...

I know, sometimes I wish I could find a gap between the two, but I do not see it. We both hate Obama equally.

 

It is apparent that you are wound tightly. I will not answer insult with insult.

On the subject of comparing personal experience and education, I choose not to share much more than I have already on a public forum. There are strange people out there.

 

Because its an obvious audio photoshop job.
An amateur work as well, the audio track is clearly mis-aligned.

HankD

 

Then answer my question, give me one piece of evidence of a gap between Romney and Obama, from a Constitutional, conservative mindset. Take any issue you want, being a Christian, morality, honesty, abortion, gay rights, gun control, government run health care, budget deficit, foreign affairs, war and peace, immigration.

 

If I start a one-on-one debate with you about the differences between Romney and Obama, you will discount them and insult my character.

You have repeatedly made the charge that I am morally deficient, simply because I will not cast my vote the same as you. I find such to be unwarranted and personally offensive.

I will accept your apology, should you choose to offer it. Until then I see no point in a debate based on merit.

 

Obviously most think I am way too passionate about Romney. The man drives me nuts that we as a nation have allowed this situation. I need to come down to reality and earth. Arbo, I apologize for the comments, and lets start again with these questions.

Describe the line at which you would not vote for a candidate. Obviously there is a line somewhere between Obama and Romney that exists. My line was just left of McCain, and maybe add to that a known non Christian.

Also, does anyone think we are responsible for the present state of affairs but the gradual liberal deterioration of the Republicans by the election of the two Bushes and tne nomination of McCain? How much worse will it get than the nomination of Romney?

 

Kind of late for that, don't you think? The consequences of nominating Romney should have been pondered before the first vote was cast.

 

Gotta love how Christians have lost their faith in God and put it in political fear mongering that they would suggest such a thing. Why should we let political elites determine for us how we obey God politically? Is there even the slightest possibility that The Right Thing® could be voting for neither abomination and actually trusting God (Who has the power to stay evil) with the results?

Do you believe that God condones voting for "the lesser of two evils" when both are very evil? God did not say "If my people which are called by my name will vote Republican..."

 

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For clarity, is this a translation of "Blah, blah, blah"?

 

No idea why my phone occasionally translates my entire post into commas :BangHead:

 

The Reuben comparison is the perfect example of making the best reasoned choices with what you really have (not perceive to have). If it matters not what kind of choice we make as long as it coincides with our true desire why didn't he just tell his brothers he was going to release him...what...didn't Reuben really trust God?

 

I have no excuse for the insults I used over this subject the last several days, and have apologized to those involved. However, that does not mean one stops talking about the total abandonment of principle with the lesser of two evils mindset.

No one has been able to paint a picture of the gap that supposedly exists between Obama and Romney. No one has been able to justify Romney's actions concerning abortion and gay rights other than to say "he did the best he could with the legislature he had." Link after link has been provided about legislation signed that concerned abortion mandates. Link after link has been supplied on Romney supporting civil unions.

No one has made any comment about his position on gun control, or given a good reason why he would repeal ObamaCare, when he did the exact same thing before Obama was ever thought of. No one ever addressed his hiring of an illegal alien to clean his house.

His dishonesty drips from his speeches and actions daily. He does not even come across as genuine. That smile is plastered to has face like a Lawerence Welk singer.

There is a huge gap in theory about why Obama is going to be reelected. Most blame conservative Christians that are going to vote their conscience or stay home as a vote for Obama. That is totally false. It is a vote for a third party or staying home, not a vote for Obama.

Instead of blaming those who stand up for what is right to blame, maybe, just maybe you need to look in the mirror. This is the 24th year since the liberal deterioration of the Republican Party started. What have you done to make sure the Republican Party stayed true to its principles? Or, have you sat around year after year, election after election, saying, "Oh well, there is nothing I can do about it, he goes another vote for the lesser of two evils."

In 1988, we elected a moderate liberal Republican President, and he lost a bid for reelection. The Democrat who beat him won two terms. After two terms of another Bush, and record deficits at the time, we nominated another liberal Republican, McCain. He lost. Now, in the year 2012, we are nominating an anti Christian, pro abortionist, pro gay rights liar. Does anyone see a pattern here?

Listen to the comments, I mean really listen to them. "Better a Mormon than a Muslim." Can you believe your ears? First of all, Obama being a Muslim is not true to your knowledge. Second, if a religion denies the deity of Jesus Christ, it denies the deity of Jesus Christ. "Well, Mormons deny Him less than Muslims." That is so much bull, and nothing but selling out the human soul.

When Obama thrashes Romney November 6th, the direct cause will be at the lesser of two evils doorstep. It seems to me that one term of Obama did not get the concept through voter's head, maybe two terms will. One hates to say good enough for ya, but good enough for ya. There is a price to pay when one lowers their standards to the level of what one is trying to prevent.

Lets say you did prevail, and Romney did win. The problem would recycle to another year. Romney would lose, and the Republican Party would still be liberal, and you would still vote the lesser of two evils, this time worse than Romney. No, its time to stop it now. It should have been stopped in 1988.

 

The biggest is one is an open socialist, the other isn't. I do believe he thinks gay rights are a state issue, not federal, and I believe his testimony concerning abortion was that a close family member died from an illegal abortion and he didn't want that to happen again even though he claimed to be pro life personally (not buying making it legal to make it "safer" for the mother, btw)

Concerning gun control, a retired NRA ED is supporting him, he thought Romneycare was what his state needed at the time, he has gone on the record a federal mandate is unconstitutional (it is), and he explained the 2006 "hiring of illegals" last fall when he explained he hired a company that employed illegals...he didn't personally hire an illegal, and addressed the company when he found out.

...and the same can be said of any of the candidates running.

I don't think either of us are going to convince each other on this point.

Personally, I vote for the one who most closely reflects my views, like you do.

Proof he's "anti christian"? Being mormon doesn't make one anti christian, it means they are not christian. He has since claimed to recant on his prior abortion stance, and he is moderate concerning gay rights (which is the norm now in this country).

There is a HUGE difference. Romney will not saw off your head on TV while screaming Allah Akbar for being a christian, nor is he out to convert everyone to mormonism, enslave those who don't, or murder them.

Completely disagree on many fronts. It's not a given Obama is in...and you know my stance on the rest already

Impossible given the current circumstances of the American people. That is the sad reality of it.

 

Well said, Webdog.

 

Well WebDog and Arbo, you are nothing but a couple of..............., fooled you,didn't I. No, thanks for the reasoned response. One could almost believe your post if one trusted the words coming out of Mitt Romney's mouth. I believe anyone can change and repent, but it has to be a Godly change, not a I need votes change.

The whole situation is a sad state of affairs. If it were not for the state of the Republican Party and people like Mitt Romney, we would not be arguing and would agree on most political things. It is like WebDog, he is a big proponent of Calvinism, and I try to agree with him at times. (Just kidding Web)

 

Saturneptune- If memory serves, I believe you once stated that you support the Constitutional Party. If that's correct, could you name their candidate(s)? Google (on phone) has only revealed who it was from the last few election cycles.

 

The Constitution Party's national convention is April 18-21 in Nashville, TN. Several candidates have announced, but the most prominent is Virgil Goode, who was a Congressman from VA from 1997-2009. The party has 483,000 registered voters nationwide.