Question about being drunk in the spirit & baptism of the holy spirit

xdx, I've heard you complain that everyone gives you the same answers. I've also heard you complain that everyone has different explanations of scripture. Now you are saying that because of this, it is impossible to know the truth. That is where you are missing it. I'm going to give you an answer that lots of others have given you: the Truth is in God's word. You study the scriptures to set yourself free from doubt, confusion, and fear. You appropriate all of God's promises for the born-again Child of God.

One receives the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation. I've seen persons who receive Christ as Savior and Lord rejoice, lift their hands in praise, laugh, cry (but neither uncontrollably). It is just the pure love of God spilling over into their new beginning. No one gets bow-legged drunk through a so-called baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes subsequent to the moment of salvation. The two occur simultaneously. They are not two different events.

When Jesus spoke these things, he spoke to Jews. He was present there with them, functioning as Savior, not as Holy Spirit. The Gospel had not yet been proclaimed among we Gentiles. They received the power and the boldness directly from Christ to go out among the Jews and, in power and boldness, proclaim that Messiah had come. Those who appeared to be intoxicated back then were FILLED with great joy, with happiness, with wonder and awe! The promise of the Kingdom was now available to the Jews. We know "the rest of the story." The Jews rejected him.

Thereafter Paul, in Acts 9 and following, brought the Good News to we Gentiles. Paul did not breathe on people. He proclaimed that Jesus was inviting even Gentiles to abandon their worldly ways in order to live forever. The entire plan of salvation for Gentiles, and for Jewish converts at the time of Paul and thereafter, was laid out in the Pauline letters, apart from the witness of Jesus directly to the 12 and to those who heard him speak, as found in those scriptures (apart from what Paul wrote).

When you mix the message of Jesus to the Jews with the message of Paul to the Gentiles, you invite confusion. That is not to say that the message of Jesus to the Jews is invalidated. Those are precious, precious words that he spoke. We gain great insight by reading them, by thanking God for his presence among us, for being the Messiah, for the Kingdom promise. It simply means that we cannot mix the Kingdom promised to the Jews with salvation by grace thru faith that Paul preached. The Kingdom promised to the Jews has been postponed, but it is coming! After the rapture, after the Great Tribulation, after the 2nd Coming of Jesus, God will restore the Kingdom promised to the Jews. They will weep before the one that was slain, the one they killed. But HE will not forget his promise to them.
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Yes, we've given the same scriptures -- but your words are helpful to us who have answered XD before. The explanations cannot be given too often, for truth is always the right answer.

Thank you.

 

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:jesus: is the only way - discipleship is only the instructional method that HE commanded . . .

 

Great post . . .

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To be a disciple means to follow Jesus . . . if you cannot make up your mind . . . how do you follow Jesus?

You go around and around with 'your confusion'.

Yet, your moniker uses the term disciple . . . how are you being a disciple of Christ? At present you keep referring to your confusion, not to Christ.

Do I know the Truth? Yes, He is Jesus Christ. And until He allows me to see otherwise, I will see dimly, but then I will see Him face to face. What a glorious time that will be!

In the twinkling of an eye, I and you will discover that in all of your rantings and ravings, you were 'right' on occasion . . . I pray that you have enough occasional 'rights', for the Lord to say that He knew you.

1. As a Christian (disciple of Christ) - He must be Lord of your life. Rom 3:23
2. As a disciple of Christ - the Bible - NOT the TV preachers you refer to - IS THE AUTHORITY. 2 Tim 3: 16
3. We are commanded to make disciples (By Jesus Christ). Matt 28:19
4. The Apostle John tells us that if we do not keep His commandments - we do not love HIM. 1 John 5:3

You need discipleship.

And yes, you need and deserve acceptance and love, and those emotions should be part of your discipleship.

 

Why is it, then, that so many people are not only content, but joyously happy in their church? Because they have found God.

There were differences within the early church. Paul addressed it, explained it, and gave the solution:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 1:11-13 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. (12) Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. (13) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 3:5-7 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? (6) I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. (7) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Those scriptures are very plain. The preachers in question were not calling people to themselves but to salvation in Jesus Christ. The people in question were responding to personalities instead. A spiritual equivalent of "My dad's bigger than your dad!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Paul's first letter to the Corinthians speaks to the divisions coming into the church. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Maintaining focus on the truths of the Bible, no matter which man reads the words aloud or expounds upon them, keeps us focused on the "God that giveth the increase."[/FONT]

Until that is your truth, you'll continue to question and search.

 

I haven't seen the truth laid out any better than this.
xdisciplex, perhaps you simply need to dwell upon the faith that saved you. Just think on the unmerited salvation you possess by Christ's work on the cross and leave all this other stuff alone. Let your heart be open to dialog with the Lord as you read scripture. The longer you develope a repoire with Him, the readier you'll be to understand these other things. Perhaps prayerfully read through Pauls epistles. You seem to be spinning your wheels the way you're going now.

 

No, Paul does not imply that. Go here:

http://tinyurl.com/yxtsbj

and choose any number of translations. I think the amplified says it best. He didn't want to hurt their feelings, make them feel back about themselves due to much preaching.

:godisgood:

 

In the amount of time that you have spent on this board, you could easily have read the Bible.

I think you are correct. You have wrong expectations. You expect God to speak to you each time you read a verse.

You do not want to follow God's commandment to be discipled . . . but, you get frustrated when he does not talk to you.

Maybe instead of thinking that God talks to the benny hinns of the world and that you need to be like binny . . . maybe you should just "serve the Lord with gladness."

If you really want to change . . . and change for real . . . and change for good . . . it takes about 2 - 3 months of practice and what you are wanting to become is made solid through practice.

For the last year, you have practiced chasing crazy TV preachers. Why can't you practice being a disciple of Christ?

Start by reading (get the bible on tape or cd if you really do not like to read) First John . . . all of it 3 times (once in your normal bible, and once in another version (choose from New King James, NIV, or NAS) ) in one sitting . . . This will be one of your longer readings.

The next day read: Then read Micah . . .
The next day read: Malachi . . .
The next day read: Gen.17:19 . . . Genesis 12:3, 18:18 . . . Acts 3:25 . . . Mt.1:2 . . . Lk.3:34 . . . Isaiah 9:7 . . . Luke 1:32-33 . . .
The next start reading Luke.

After you have read a couple of chapters of Luke, then post a new thread.

We will be praying for you.

 

My last post was in error. This is the post I meant when I said I haden't seen it stated better. My mistake

 

Paul was old, wrote the salvation scriptures to the Gentiles and to Jewish converts. He had the correct theology. He was wise, not in his own right, but because of the love of God that manifested itself in him. There are those today who interpret scripture spiritually who have the correct theology, as well. There are those who "get it right" most of the time, erring only in minor points of little consequence.

You are looking for answers on the Baptist Board among hundreds of persons who profess to be wise. You have looked for answers on TV, on video, DVDs and CDs, in books ~~ a huge collection of "those who profess to be wise" and might not be. That has added to your confusion.

Why not trust one who professes to interpret scripture according to scripture?

Think about it. No - pray about it. Humble yourself before HIM and listen.

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The opposite of remaining quiet before God is talking too much. Sometimes our talking gets in the way of our hearing. I doubt that God will speak to you in an audible voice. He won't appear in your room. If you are humbled before him, spiritually, open and receptive, you'll simply understand what God has to say. He'll write in on your heart, as they say. That's figurative for him speaking Spirit to spirit.

Lot of times I pray in that manner, don't hear anything (am not impressed as to what to do), but then several days later the answer to the prayer is right there in front of me. Sometimes it happens and I don't even realize that the prayer has been answered. Later, it dawns on me that it was an answer. That's when you get alone with God and just praise him. I don't mean jump up and down and shout and all that. Just quietly, peacefully, praise him.

Other times the answer is right there, obvious, and I find myself grinning, walking or driving down the street just saying "Thank You, Lord!" I may say it a dozen times. Even the praise comes from him. :1_grouphug: