Question about Christion Rap or Regaeton ?

As one fella said, "You're thinking drinking song? I can't sing it sober!" To Anacreon in Heaven was not a drinking song. It was the anthem of the Anacreontic Society, and if it was sung at all, it was sang very much sober.

This tune is noble, and it's design is to give a noble and reverent air to the idea of excess and revelry.

 

no. on the contrary - those words describe a lyrical form.

poetry is not a musical form but is a lyrical form.
spiritual songs have a specific genre? what's that... traditional? P&W? CCM?
hymns is a style of music?

oh man. i can't even begin to start on how rediculous that sounds cause i'm laughing too hard to type. hahaha.

 

Well, there's that old myth again.

The myth that "many hymns were borrowed from a bar song melody" is a myth.

Actually....they were.

Mike

 

Actually, the society was dedicated to pleasures of the flesh...music, food and intoxicating drink. It was popular among bargoers on both sides of the Atlantic, and indeed became a popular drinking song in pubs, along with having a number of differentl lyrics attached to it.

 

I am amazed at your faith!

This has nothing to do with you post, but that you openly admit to be an Astros fan! :laugh:

Not to take away from the OP but I had to say it!

I am a Rangers fan, but I just cant let anyone know!

 

:laugh: Hey, it could be the 'Stro's year. I have followed them since the Colt .45s days. I am still reeling after the White Sox sweeping the Astros first World Series. Then last year, the Rockies get swept by the Red Sox. I am not happy with teams named Sox!

 

As I said, if it was sung at all, it was sung by men before they became intoxicated. It was designed to give the society an air of nobility.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/loc.natlib.ihas.200000017/default.html

To say it was a popular "drinking song" is without merit and misleading.

Either way, the tune for the Star Spangled Banner isn't used for any hymns that I know of, and if it were it would render the hymn virtually un-singable for 90% of the congregants. I would oppose it on that basis alone.

 

Where does it say you shall?

I don't care about your personal preferences.

Where do you find it pronounced hallowed?

You have no idea what my personal preferences are. I made statements of fact about words and their usage in a passage. To effectively rebut them, you must show that my statements of fact are false.

 

What did the first century Greek think of when he heard the word hymn?

We're talking about music.[/quote]

Non-carnal.

 

oh man.
HAHAHA.

"non-carnal" is not a genre.

like i've said before - a G-note is not any more holy than an A-note.
just as a 4/4 beat is not any more holy than a 6/8 beat.

psalms is poetry - lyrics.
musical notes have no spiritual essence at all. LOL.

 

How would "Christian Rap" and "Christian Reggaeton" differ from any other rap or reggaeton? I can see that the lyrics put to such music could be specifically Christian, but not the music itself. The same is true of "Christian Baroque Music", "Christian Classical Music", or "Christian Any-Other-Style of Music."

 

I asked you a question in my last post. What did a first century Greek think of when he heard the word hymn (humnos)?

 

oh. heh. sorry i missed that.

i honestly don't know - i'm not a history buff.

 

let's look at this in a different light.

let's take the song "Blessed Be Your Name"
ok - let's take the musical aspect of the song away from the words - and lets get AC/DC to put their own lyrics to this wonderful piece of music.

now - would the song in the end be secular? or christian?

i mean... i can see that the lyrics put to such music could be specifically Secular (un-godly), but not the music itself. (since the music was taken from a worship song).

get it in your heads people... how many times does this have to be said?

what makes a song christian or non-christian or story-telling?
the lyrics! the lyrics and the motive behind the lyrics.
not the music itself.

 

No, but B-flat is definitely Satanic! :laugh:

 

Despite you dogmatism, I strongly disagree with you.
The message must have the proper medium (music).
That holds true with the messenger as well.
The message must have the proper messenger.
All three are imortant: message, messenger, medium (of message).

For example, Marsha Stevens sings some fairly nice songs. But do you listen to them? Have you any objections? You should have. I won't buy any of it; listen to any of it; or have anything to do it--period.
If you don't know it, Marsha Stevens came "out of the closet" and prclaimed herself to be a "Christian Lesbian." She is the founder of an organization that promotes a homosexual lifestyle and caters to their music. Her CCM is well known. But does the messenger fit the message? Is she a fit vessel to carry the message of the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's? No, definitely not!

Neither are some forms or genres of music--music that are born out of rebellion to society and are intended to display rebellion to society. How can rebellious music, angry music carry the message of a holy God? It can't. The medium must fit the message? Music is not amoral. Music is not neutral. Music in and of itself conveys a message. That message must fit the lyrics that are being sung. Do they glorify the Lord? Not always.

 

Partly it's because music invokes a certain mood. That can be done without any lyrics whatsoever. Music is designed to do just that. Some emotions are good, some are sinful. Music is not evil or sacred, but our responses to it can be either good or bad, and that's why certain music should not be used in church. BTW, there are plenty of good hymns that are story telling. There's nothing wrong with telling a personal account of how Jesus works in one life.

love,

Sopranette

 

4/4 time sig, polyphonic singing, and four verses (of course, the third isn't sung in TRUE Baptist churches :laugh: ) probably wasn't part of it.


And a first century Greek probably thought and sung dfferently than the first-century Jew who converted.


BUt let's not forget this item either: This debate centers on "hymns" and it's definition in the time. Good enough. And "Psalms" is probably the easiest to define, as we know the subject matter involved there.

But you still have that pesky "spiritual songs" to deal with...

 

Which is why I will not let a song be sung out of our hymnal at church...
She wrote it... I think the title is "For those tears I died"

It is in our hymnal..

I would much rather have a modern song sung in this case than to have the song leader stand up and say, "turn to page ___" and then we end up singing a lesbian's song.


See it cuts both ways...
God gave us brains and the Holy Spirit, and His words...
He expects us to use them the best way we can to reach the most people we can.

I HATE Rap... Hip Hop, whatever... but I am not God.