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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Walls, Oct 18, 2003.

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  1. Walls

    Walls New Member

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    What would Baptist who believe what the founding fathers of this country and have the same set of standards be called today? Primitive, regular, or what? Also, would they be affiliated with another group or would they be independent?
     
    #1 Walls, Oct 18, 2003
  2. dianetavegia

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    The Founding Father's were ahead of their time, looking to the future of our country and protecting their families. They were visionary men!

    Saying that, now could I get you to clarify if you mean what were they way back then with no technology and none of the 'helps' we have now or what would they be in today's world?

    Thanks!
    Diane
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    Got this from Dr. Bob's mailing this morning:
    Did you know...

    As you walk up the steps to the Capitol Building which houses the Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view-it is Moses and the Ten Commandments!

    As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door. As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall right above where the Supreme Court judges sit a display of the Ten Commandments!

    There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

    James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

    Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".

    Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher.whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777. Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

    Thomas Jefferson worried about that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law.an oligarchy.the rule of few over many.

    The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."

    How then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 200 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?

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    #2 dianetavegia, Oct 18, 2003
  3. TheOliveBranch

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    What's really pathetic is that many of todays Christians believe this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional.
     
    #3 TheOliveBranch, Oct 18, 2003
  4. Walls

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    Wow Diane, that is very powerful. Our preacher always says that higher powers that are ordained by God, are supposed to be God fearing men. Anyone who would bow to another god or take away the Ten Commandments can not be God fearing!

    Anyway, my question is what kind of Baptists where our founding fathers?
     
    #4 Walls, Oct 18, 2003
  5. Dr. Bob

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    What kind of "associations" did the early Baptist churches in North America (1607-1845) have?

    There was NO NATIONAL CONVENTION/association. None north, none south. Just small regional and state associations at most.

    They would have divided roughly into two groups theologically (general/arminian or particular/calvinistic) but NOT in big meetings or organizations, etc.
     
    #5 Dr. Bob, Oct 18, 2003
  6. Walls

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    Interesting Dr. Bob. Then how did it all get started and all the different kinds of Baptist? Also, did they hold to the confessions of faith in the 1600's?
     
    #6 Walls, Oct 19, 2003
  7. Dr. Bob

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    Each region or state or province "tweaked" the basic Confessions to reflect areas on which they all agreed (or eliminate controversial areas).

    So take the London Baptist Confession of 1689. Different USA groups modified it and we have the New Hampshire Confession, Philadelphia Confession, etc. SBC did the same.

    Funny. Now I am shifting BACK to the 1689. Find it is strongly calvinistic on grace and sufficiently ambiguous on eschatology to reflect a wide spectrum of christianity.
     
    #7 Dr. Bob, Oct 19, 2003
  8. Walls

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    I had wondered about that. I don't really know what all those big words mean. The thing that makes me question calvinism, is that if God chooses who will be saved or not then why was John the Baptist telling everyone to repent and why are we supposed to preach the gospel to every creature?
     
    #8 Walls, Oct 19, 2003
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