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Questions from the Passion

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by North Carolina Tentmaker, Mar 10, 2004.

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  1. North Carolina Tentmaker

    North Carolina Tentmaker New Member

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    I wanted to start a new topic on the Passion. This may have been answered on the other threads, but I could not find it.

    I know that there is a lot of Catholic doctrine and some Hollywood added in this film but I could not find anything that contradicted scripture. If you can please post it here.

    The scene during the scourging of Christ where the devil is holding a baby. What is the deal with that. I had a church member ask me about that Sunday and I have no clue. What is that baby supposed to represent. Certainly all of the scenes with Satan are added to the scriptural account.

    I liked the film and think it will result in the gospel being preached. The showing I went to we had one trust Christ as savior on the sidewalk after the movie and others recommit their lives.

    One more thing. Here we had several churches buy out the theater but that did not keep lost folks from seeing the film. The tickets were all paid for so admission was free to anyone who wanted to see it. Several churches asked their members to wait a week so the lost could see it first.
     
    #1 North Carolina Tentmaker, Mar 10, 2004
  2. Charlesga

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    The scene with Satan and the child, I believe, represents the oppostie of Mary (the Madonna)/baby Jesus. Certainly an artistic statement more than anything. I've heard some say possibly the anti-Christ, but I would not go that far in explaining it.

    As far as evangalism, I believe that lost people that see the movie will certainly have more questions about Christ than answers about who He is. In that regard, lost people may seek the answers to the questions they have. To me, the movie itself is geared more toward Christians than it is non Christians.

    Charles
     
    #2 Charlesga, Mar 10, 2004
  3. blackbird

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    Tentmaker---I don't mean any disrespect but

    are we now going to "exegete" the film??

    See, exegeting the film Passion----and exegeting the truth of Scripture----are two different things----

    Exegeting Passion is a dangerous road to travel!! Boogerman gonna get somebody!!!
     
    #3 blackbird, Mar 10, 2004
  4. Spirit and Truth

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    If you saw all the cathlic stuff then you saw a lot of stuff that contradicted scripture.
     
    #5 donnA, Mar 10, 2004
  6. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    Charlesga:

    Thanks, I agree with you that the film was geared to Christians. That is why it is so important that we see the film and discuss it with unbelievers. They will have lots of questions, questions we need to be able to answer.

    Blackbird:

    Hey I am not saying this film is scripture, far from it. It was just clear to me that Gibson was trying to make some kind of statement here with the child and I did not have a clue what it was. Do you?

    Spirit and Truth:

    Went to the site. I guess I just don't get it. They list a couple of inaccuracies:

    1. The line where Jesus says, "I make all things new" comes from Revelation 21:5 not from the gospel. Yet the gospel doesn't say that Jesus did not say that. He could have. He did say it in Revelation and it is true.

    2. They say that it is not scriptural that Jesus was beaten on both sides of his body. Scourging may have been on his back, and the scripture does say he was smitten in the back (Is 50:6), but the Bible does not say that he was hit in the front also. I know that it says he was in a Catholic document, but that does not mean it is a lie. It may not be true, but the Bible does not say it is false.

    3. The fact that Jesus was beaten during the entire movie. This site says that is not scriptural. Again I do not see that in the Bible. He may not have been, but he might have.

    4. The fact that he was beaten with a cane before he was scourged. Again, not in the Bible, but not prohibited either.

    The rest of their comments are the same. Look this is a movie, not scripture. There is a lot of stuff in the movie that is not in scripture and some of the additions come from Catholic literature. But what I cannot find so far is anything in the movie that contradicts scripture.

    Donna:

    I am still looking. I want a contradiction of scripture not just the addition of something Catholic.

    Yes the movie elevates the status of Mary, but it does not require her to be divine. There is no statement of her sinlessness or perpetual virginity. John was with her that day. She did see Jesus on the cross. Did she speak with him as he carried the cross. I don't know, but the Bible does not say she did not.
     
    #6 North Carolina Tentmaker, Mar 10, 2004
  7. Frogman

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    You guys may determine this is unrelated but I am going to put it here anyway.

    Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
    And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
    But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (God said: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. And this is before he brought the woman out of the side of man, so this is a command given to Adam and related to Eve, somewhere, one of the two added 'neither shall ye touch it')

    And the serpent said unto the woman ye shall not surely die:
    For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

    The serpent denied the truth of God's command; he played upon the pride and desire of the woman, he planted a seed of distrust of God's word and provided a different 'perspective' to justify his previous denial of God's decree of death resulting from eating of the fruit. He thereby caused the woman to think God's statement regarding death was a lie to hide the fact that the fruit will give her knowledge.

    Where the false doctrine of the Catholic is seen in this film, is seen the same subtilty and deception toward the word of God.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #7 Frogman, Mar 10, 2004
  8. TaterTot

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    As for the baby - to me, it automatically came to my mind that Satan was mocking Jesus - maybe mocking the relationship with His Father, as if saying "I keep my child close - where's your Father?" Or mocking Mary and JEsus' relationship.

    I thought the movie was great. We went into it KNOWING that it was NOT meant to be a documentary, and it was coming from the perspective of a practicing Catholic.
     
    #8 TaterTot, Mar 11, 2004
  9. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    There does seem to be some consensus as to the baby being some type of mockery of Jesus, God as his father or Mary as his mother. I would argue with anyone who says the character of Satan in the movie is a woman. He may have had effeminate characteristics but appeared to me to be a man. At best I would say the appearance of Satan was gender neutral. Remember Satan can take on many different forms.

    Here is a quote from the web site that Spirit and Truth provided, Thanks for the link Spirit and Truth.

     
    #9 North Carolina Tentmaker, Mar 11, 2004
  10. Frogman

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    What ever we imagine a character of satan as being represented by, it would be obvious wouldn't it that this episode in the film would have need to symbolize the mockery of the Trinity as well as the means by which the Son of God is brought into the world.

    That does make sense to me.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #10 Frogman, Mar 11, 2004
  11. TaterTot

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    not really, it made sense in the context of the scene.
     
    #11 TaterTot, Mar 12, 2004
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