Questions on the Ceasing of the Gifts

You are not in the Corinthian church are you? Paul told them what to do at that time.

 

It’s Christmas... why no gifts? Just joking

 

I think it is valid to use 1 Cor. 13 to argue for cessationism, but it is not the only text by which you can do so.
have a read of this: Cessationism. Have the Sign Gifts Ceased?

If God wants to save someone, He is free to do whatever he wishes to effect that salvation. What is not valid is for someone to say, "Steven, I dreamed last night that you ought to do so and so."

 

In the strictest sense Calvinists believe thee gifts have ceased. But there are people such as Matt Chandler and John Piper who believe the gifts have not ceased.

I tend towards cessation.

As to dreams in Muslims, dreams are a very big deal. There is a book you should read to get a better understanding.
Seeking Allah, finding Jesus. It's written by Nabeel Qureshi who passed away last September at the age of 34.



If you follow the ministry of David Wood (Acts 17 Apologetics), you'll learn much about Islam.

 

There is no where in scripture where the gifts are declared as currently ceased. However, that is not evidence they are active today either.

 

First, one must not consider the “charismatic” groups reflect the reality of God’s gifts. They don’t, and such should not be sought.

Second, the God’s gifts are still active to this day. Perhaps not in some miraculous endowment, however, there isn’t a teacher of any worth that does not recognize the gifted student.

In every aspect of the “work” environment, there are those who are gifted. Most are not. As it relates to the assembly, every member has specifically appointed gifts that are to be used. No persons gift is puffed up as more important then any other.

Third, All good and all perfect gifts come from God, so for some gift to “cease” may not conform to what God considers purposeful.

Forth, discern that gift God has given and use it, as you use it, the use will bring other related attributes and responsibilities.

Fifth, do not be surprised at the pushback of the evil in trying to discourage and get one to cast aside or disparage the gift.

Sixth, the gifts cease on earth in the presence of Christ, which is the millennial reign. We then see Him face to face and know as we are known, and are no longer hindered by speculation and questions about Scriptures, but see all things clearly and without doubt.

 

that is not necessary. Reasonable people can disagree on this without being evil.

 

I was posting about that gift God gives specific to service to all believers according to His purpose.

I have encountered a great number of pew sitting spectators who either by discouragement or disparage do not use their God given gift. The gift that He gives to each member that the assembly be complete and lacking in nothing.

Such discouragement and disparagement is evil.

 

I would see the sign gifts as having ceased, as the revelation of God in the scriptures to us is now full and completed, but God still can heal as he chooses to, and doers seem to among say Muslims use visions and dreams at times!

 

Signs gifts pointed to Jesus as the true Messiah, and now no longer are needed for that! There might be sme exceptions in say Muslim lands, where missionaries do report that God uses dreams and visions at times, but the norm is now thru the scriptures alone!