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Rebels Admit Responsibility for Chemical Weapons Attack

poncho

Well-Known Member
Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.

“From numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families….many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,” writes Gavlak. (back up version here).

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poncho

Well-Known Member
Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.

“From numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families….many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,” writes Gavlak. (back up version here).

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Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.
Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.
“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.
“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.
“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.
“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.


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Inspector Javert

Active Member
One fundamental and basic truth of such issues (specifically any act nominally considered as "terrorism") is that you do NOT necessarily take the word of ANYONE who "takes credit" for an attack of that sort.

These rebels may indeed be at fault, but, it's simply a known fundamental principle that such acts are often claimed to be committed by any number of groups who may, or may not be, at fault.

This isn't an "admission of guilt"...it's just as likely to be merely posturing or bragging rights. This isn't a court of law wherein someone is pleading "guilty" Poncho...it may be a group attempting to suggest that they are far MORE powerful and capable than they really are. It happens all the time. This is basically rule #1 for any anti-terrorism operations.

You'd be amazed to discover how many terrorist groups took credit for any number of atrocities (some aged I.R.A. terrorists initially tried to lay claim to the Oklahoma City Bombing)...that doesn't make it true. An "admission" by a terrorist group is, by default, highly suspect.
The "image" shown on your newslink is one of a rebel holding what appears to be simply an "AT4" anti-armor rocket....(decidedly not a chemical weapon of any force)...frankly, it's an out-dated 80's weapon which wouldn't disable a Soviet T72...forget destroying a British "Challenger2" or an American "Abrams"....it's called "posturing", and terrorists do that, it's basically what they do. It's their schtick.
 
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poncho

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One fundamental and basic truth of such issues (specifically any act nominally considered as "terrorism") is that you do NOT necessarily take the word of ANYONE who "takes credit" for an attack of that sort.

These rebels may indeed be at fault, but, it's simply a known fundamental principle that such acts are often claimed to be committed by any number of groups who may, or may not be, at fault.

This isn't an "admission of guilt"...it's just as likely to be merely posturing or bragging rights. This isn't a court of law wherein someone is pleading "guilty" Poncho...it may be a group attempting to suggest that they are far MORE powerful and capable than they really are. It happens all the time. This is basically rule #1 for any anti-terrorism operations.

You'd be amazed to discover how many terrorist groups took credit for any number of atrocities (some aged I.R.A. terrorists initially tried to lay claim to the Oklahoma City Bombing)...that doesn't make it true. An "admission" by a terrorist group is, by default, highly suspect.

I understand that but I also understand that there's more to the Syrian story than "Assad is a bad guy that kills his own people". We've heard that before only to find out those accusing the "brutal dictator" not only knew about his use of chemical weapons on his own people but helped facilitate it.

Only to turn around and use the atrocity as a pretext to start dropping bombs on him and killing 500,000 people through sanctions. Which is by far more people than the "brutal dictator" killed by using poison gas Washington helped to supply him with!

It would be incredibly stupid for Assad to do the one thing that he knows would bring the New World Order's . . .excuse me the "international community's" fire down from heaven on his head.

Assad might be a lot of things but stupid he ain't. He saw how Washington built up Saddam and his military when he was useful to them and then turned on him when he was no longer useful.

Now the people in Washington on the other hand? They think we're all morons that will take their word even after being caught lying through their collectivist teeth to us about practically everything under the sun.

Beside the "rebels" have been posting videos on youtube of them handling and experimenting with chemical weapons for some time now. See THIS. And This.

And. . .

Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them. It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a UN commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible. source

No this isn't a court of law. This is something even more important. This is the court of public opinion in which Washington and it's corporate media mouth pieces (presstitutes) seek to turn us all into willing participants in their ongoing crimes against humanity. Only now they're having a hard time selling their lies and deceptions because they no longer control all the information. Thank God for the alternative media! Now we're starting to see just how lawless, ruthless and corrupt the New World Order, oops did it again . . . the "international community" really is.
 
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Inspector Javert

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I understand that but I also understand that there's more to the Syrian story than Assad is bad guy that kills his own people. We've heard that before only to find out those accusing the "brutal dictator" not only knew about his use of chemical weapons on his won people but helped facilitate it.
"We've heard that before"...is a mere equivocation. To the extent that you do not perceive nor comprehend a difference between, say Barack Obama and George Bush, you will NEVER see the difference. They are WORLDS apart. Bush was decidedly not right about everything....but, if you HONESTLY cannot perceive the foreign policy difference between him and Obama...than, frankly, you're confused.
Only to turn around and use the atrocity as a pretext to start dropping bombs on him and killing 500,000 people through sanctions.
"Sanctions" don't kill anyone. You are using the wrong words. "Sanctions" have never killed anyone.
Which is by far more people than the "brutal dictator" killed by using poison gas Washington helped to supply him with!
No one claims that Assad has killed 500,000 people with chemical weapons..........if he had...than Pew-Wee-Herman would be competent enough to arrange U.N. Force to oust Assad.....But 500,000 people haven't been killed in Syria, nor alleged killed in Syria by chemical weapons.
It would be incredibly stupid for Assad to do the one thing that he knows would bring the New World Order's . . .excuse me the "international community's" fire down from heaven on his head.
Assad is quite capable of stupidity...so was Hitler, so was Saddam Hussein, Mussolini was borderline retarded.....Stupid people gravitate towards Government and power...it's the only way that they can achieve success. They literally flunk out of "Divinity School"...<---I cite Joseph Stalin and Al Gore as perfect examples (Communists both).
Assad might be a lot of things but stupid he ain't. He saw how Washington built up Saddam and his military when he was useful to them and then turned on him when he was no longer useful.
No...Assad isn't stupid. But, yes, we get it....Foreign Policy often dictates a policy of "Yes he's a jerk....but, at least he's 'our' jerk"....Obama doesn't quite get the nuance of that one. Khadafi was nothing but an ugly pet of U.S. interests...and then Obama ousted him in favour of Extremists. Bush would NEVER have touched him....Obama did. There's a distinct difference.
Now the people in Washington on the other hand? They think we're all morons that will take their word even after being caught lying through their collectivist teeth to us about practically everything under the sun.
That, at least, is true, no argument there.
Beside the "rebels" have been posting videos on youtube of them handling and experimenting with chemical weapons for some time now.
Yeah...so. Do you take "You-Tube" videos as authoritative? Or, more reasonably, do you think that only a moron would think that posted YouTube videos are convincing evidence of clandestine chemical weapons manufacturing capabilities.
And. . .
Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war,
I agree here. The "rebels" are now the worst faction we could possibly support. Two years ago, maybe not. But, Livertarians such as yourself cannot perceive the Foreign Policy difference between Republicans such as Bush and Democrats like Obama. Always, you see them as one and the same, they are not.

There's a rule of thumb you Libertarians need to comprehend and it's this:
Democrats are fundamentally treasonous and support any and everything which works against U.S. National Interest.

Republicans, on the other hand, are indeed (as Libertarians such as yourself rightly point out) often ENTIRELY too "proactive" or "meddlesome" in World affairs....but, they at least have U.S. National Interest at heart. Honestly.....Democrats REALLY DON'T. I know that's nearly impossible to comprehend, but, the don't.

Obama doesn't want to strengthen the United States...he HONESTLY wants to weaken it. He hates it...he really does.

There are MANY "bad" Republicans....but, there are NO "good" Democrats. That's what you don't yet understand.
who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side.
No, they don't. Britain will not back the U.S. on this one. You don't understand that the difference is...."Bush" vs. "Obama".
The Brits would have backed Bush...they will not back Obama. There's a difference. It doesn't matter whether the U.S. is "right" or "wrong"...it's a matter of how we've treated the most gracious and loyal ally we've ever had. And, frankly, Obama has abused and insulted them, and he's done so on purpose. He's treasonous. He legitimately hates them (and us really) and he's made it show.
While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them. It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a UN commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.
Agreed....We cannot be positive about who used those weapons, which is why unilateral warmongering freaks like Obama need to be stopped. We don't know who launched those weapons. Thus, action in Syria is at this point in NO WAY in U.S. interest.
 

poncho

Well-Known Member
"We've heard that before"...is a mere equivocation. To the extent that you do not perceive nor comprehend a difference between, say Barack Obama and George Bush, you will NEVER see the difference. They are WORLDS apart. Bush was decidedly not right about everything....but, if you HONESTLY cannot perceive the foreign policy difference between him and Obama...than, frankly, you're confused.
I can't count how many I've heard that one. The point you guys that make this argument all miss is that Bush and Obama are both puppets of a higher power. Namely the global banks and corporations. Presidents no longer make foreign policy corporate funded think tanks do. Frankly if you can't see this you haven't dug into deep enough.

"Sanctions" don't kill anyone. You are using the wrong words. "Sanctions" have never killed anyone.
Tell that to Madeleine Albright. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rO9R9oxFuA


No one claims that Assad has killed 500,000 people with chemical weapons..........if he had...than Pew-Wee-Herman would be competent enough to arrange U.N. Force to oust Assad.....But 500,000 people haven't been killed in Syria, nor alleged killed in Syria by chemical weapons.
You are right about that one at least. No one is claiming Assad killed 500,000 people. Pee Wee must be telling you things I never claimed. Shut up and get out here Pee Wee!

Assad is quite capable of stupidity...so was Hitler, so was Saddam Hussein, Mussolini was borderline retarded.....Stupid people gravitate towards Government and power...it's the only way that they can achieve success. They literally flunk out of "Divinity School"...<---I cite Joseph Stalin and Al Gore as perfect examples (Communists both).
Yeah you got a point there. Assad and Saddam both trusted Washington.

No...Assad isn't stupid. But, yes, we get it....Foreign Policy often dictates a policy of "Yes he's a jerk....but, at least he's 'our' jerk"....Obama doesn't quite get the nuance of that one. Khadafi was nothing but an ugly pet of U.S. interests...and then Obama ousted him in favour of Extremists. Bush would NEVER have touched him....Obama did. There's a distinct difference.
Ronald Reagan used muslim extremists in Afghanistan (that's where "Al Qaeda" aka "the base" got it's start) to defeat the Russians. G. H. W. Bush used Saddam against Iran, Bill Clinton rode to the rescue of muslim extremists in Kosovo, G. W. Bush was seen holding hands with Saudi princes that control muslim extremists and now Obama runs to their aid every chance he gets. What do all them have in common besides backing muslim extremists and brutal dictatorships? The "crazies" or neocon influenced foreign policy wonks.

That, at least, is true, no argument there.
Good we agree on something at least.

Yeah...so. Do you take "You-Tube" videos as authoritative? Or, more reasonably, do you think that only a moron would think that posted YouTube videos are convincing evidence of clandestine chemical weapons manufacturing capabilities.
Good question seeing as how Obama and Kerry are both citing youtube videos as proof positive Assad killed his own people with CWs.

I agree here. The "rebels" are now the worst faction we could possibly support. Two years ago, maybe not. But, Livertarians such as yourself cannot perceive the Foreign Policy difference between Republicans such as Bush and Democrats like Obama. Always, you see them as one and the same, they are not.
Washington has not only supported them for decades it helped create "Al Qaeda" as a proxy fighting force in Afghanistan.

There's a rule of thumb you Libertarians need to comprehend and it's this:
Democrats are fundamentally treasonous and support any and everything which works against U.S. National Interest.
One thing we libertarians comprehend you so called conservatives cannot allow yourselves to comprehend is both parties are controlled by the same corporate interests. Washington doesn't wage wars for national security interests it wages wars for corporate interests. They are not the same thing national interests would include the American people's interests. Corporate interests include only, well corporate interests. How have your interests been served by endless wars and interventions? The corporations are making out like fat cats and laughing all the way to the bank. How about you what benefits have you derived from endless global warfare?

Republicans, on the other hand, are indeed (as Libertarians such as yourself rightly point out) often ENTIRELY too "proactive" or "meddlesome" in World affairs....but, they at least have U.S. National Interest at heart. Honestly.....Democrats REALLY DON'T. I know that's nearly impossible to comprehend, but, the don't.
There's that fancy high falutin sounding euphemism again. "National Interests". It's Wall Street's interest, It Raytheon's interests, it's General Electric's interests, It's the army of the Pentagon's military contractor interests, it's Black Water's interests, It's Saudi Arabia interests, it's Goldman Sach's interests the only time any of them are interested in our interests is when they are using our national wealth and children's lives to maintain and enlarge their own interests.

Obama doesn't want to strengthen the United States...he HONESTLY wants to weaken it. He hates it...he really does.
No kidding.

There are MANY "bad" Republicans....but, there are NO "good" Democrats. That's what you don't yet understand.
I understand divide and conquer and how the corporate interests use both parties to play us off against each other. Keep on playing into their game that'll show those dirty democrats.

No, they don't. Britain will not back the U.S. on this one. You don't understand that the difference is...."Bush" vs. "Obama".
The Brits would have backed Bush...they will not back Obama. There's a difference. It doesn't matter whether the U.S. is "right" or "wrong"...it's a matter of how we've treated the most gracious and loyal ally we've ever had. And, frankly, Obama has abused and insulted them, and he's done so on purpose. He's treasonous. He legitimately hates them (and us really) and he's made it show.
You keep telling me I don't understand the differences between democrats and republicans. TWhat you don't understand is both parties are controlled by the same corporate interests. Pick a side any side you lose. It's really quite simple. It's all explained in my signature.

Agreed....We cannot be positive about who used those weapons, which is why unilateral warmongering freaks like Obama need to be stopped. We don't know who launched those weapons. Thus, action in Syria is at this point in NO WAY in U.S. interest.
The big question is this. Who benefits most from these CW attacks?
 
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