Redemption

Again, claiming redemption occurred when Christ died, but redemption and reconciliation occur when God alone puts us into Christ. Galatians 3:13 does not say when Christ was made a curse, everyone was redeemed. That is unmitigated nonsense, for we have the ministry of reconciliation to this day....

 

We are chosen through or by reason of faith for salvation, 2 Thessalonians 2:13. No matter how many times this truth is denied, the verse is there for all to read.

No "scriptural" argument has been made.

 

In Christ = Saved, Redeemed, Forgiven, Made Alive, Regenerated,
Not in Christ = Unsaved, not redeemed, not forgiven, not spiritually alive, unregenerate.

The gospel is straightforward once a person accepts it is God alone who saves.

But what did Christ accomplish on the cross? He became our propitiation or means of salvation. Those whose faith God credits as righteousness are placed into Christ where we are saved, redeemed, forgiven, made alive, regenerated, and so forth.

 

Here is the entirety of post #34:

Here is more obfuscation. Did either reference to address the issue? Nope.
Are we chosen for salvation through faith? Yes, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
Do those chosen benefit from that individual election? Yes,
Romans 4:23-24 (NASB)
Now not for his [Abraham's]sake only was it written that it [righteous faith] was credited to him,
but for our sake also, to whom it [righteous faith] will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

Thus indeed, our faith when credited as righteousness by God, is the reason given for our election to salvation.

 

On and on, they post their read into view of verse after verse. Just read Galatians 3:13 folks, it does not say Christ redeemed anyone when He was made a curse. We are redeemed when God puts us into Christ and not before.

 

Do you believe God has the power to limit His knowledge? Folks that do not answer questions, yet think they can continue to ask them are hypocrites, right?

 

Did Y1 state God can limit his knowledge while incarnate, but cannot otherwise?

 

In which post did I cite Galatians 3:6?
Galatians 3:6

Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

I did cite Romans 4 which includes Romans 4:3. And post #46 makes the case we benefit when God credits our faith as righteousness, referring to our election for salvation.

Romans 4:23-24 (NASB)
Now not for his [Abraham's]sake only was it written that it [righteous faith] was credited to him,
but for our sake also, to whom it [righteous faith] will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

And note folks the false charge that I violate "context." Calvinists charge their opponents with whatever malfeasance they are engaged in. I kid you not.

 

Hi, sorry I missed your post. The issue is the difference between paying the redemption price, and obtaining that for which the price was paid. For example, say you buy an "Oil Lease" on a huge area. But you have not extracted the oil. So while you paid the price to redeem all the oil, you can choose to only extract the oil you want to extract, i.e. believing oil.