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I don’t understand why anyone would waste cyber space attempting to discuss God’s sovereignty with you. You obviously have no interest in serious biblical discussion but want only to spew hatred for the doctrines of grace and those that believe what scripture actually teaches.

I’ll leave you to your unbiblical rankings.

peace to you

 

Do you think this is unfair?

Is God unjust if He punishes all who have sinned with eternal damnation?

Would God be unfair if you, a known criminal and breaker of God's law, were judged according to the law of God?

Is God unfair when He grants mercy because His Son paid the penalty of the Law for you, but not for your neighbor?

Do you blame the President of the United States for pardoning some criminals, but not pardoning all criminals?

Think through what you are actually doing when you get upset at the reality that the Sovereign King chooses to be merciful to whom He wills. Why are you offended by the Kings choice? Do you think He is an unfair King?

 

Jesus says:
John 10:3-5
The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep recognize his voice and come to him. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. After he has gathered his own flock, he walks ahead of them, and they follow him because they know his voice. They won’t follow a stranger; they will run from him because they don’t know his voice.”

Paul reminds us that though they hear, they do not recognize God's voice.

Romans 10:16-20
But not everyone welcomes the Good News, for Isaiah the prophet said, “Lord, who has believed our message?” So faith comes from hearing, that is, hearing the Good News about Christ. But I ask, have the people of Israel actually heard the message? Yes, they have: “The message has gone throughout the earth, and the words to all the world.” But I ask, did the people of Israel really understand? Yes, they did, for even in the time of Moses, God said, “I will rouse your jealousy through people who are not even a nation. I will provoke your anger through the foolish Gentiles.” And later Isaiah spoke boldly for God, saying, “I was found by people who were not looking for me. I showed myself to those who were not asking for me.”

sbg, your verses destroy your own argument, yet you seem oblivious to how scripture argues against you.

 

I dealt with it. I told you that you are clueless as to what they mean in those quotes you plucked.
I notice that since scripture does not support you, you now have reverted to plucking random quotes from 500 years back as your approach to desperately holding your unsupported doctrine of salvation by works.

 

John 5:1-47
Jesus returned to Jerusalem for one of the Jewish holy days. Inside the city, near the Sheep Gate, was the pool of Bethesda, with five covered porches. Crowds of sick people—blind, lame, or paralyzed—lay on the porches. One of the men lying there had been sick for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him and knew he had been ill for a long time, he asked him, “Would you like to get well?” “I can’t, sir,” the sick man said, “for I have no one to put me into the pool when the water bubbles up. Someone else always gets there ahead of me.” Jesus told him, “Stand up, pick up your mat, and walk!” Instantly, the man was healed! He rolled up his sleeping mat and began walking! But this miracle happened on the Sabbath, so the Jewish leaders objected. They said to the man who was cured, “You can’t work on the Sabbath! The law doesn’t allow you to carry that sleeping mat!” But he replied, “The man who healed me told me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’” “Who said such a thing as that?” they demanded. The man didn’t know, for Jesus had disappeared into the crowd. But afterward Jesus found him in the Temple and told him, “Now you are well; so stop sinning, or something even worse may happen to you.” Then the man went and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had healed him. So the Jewish leaders began harassing Jesus for breaking the Sabbath rules. But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.” So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God. So Jesus explained, “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing. Whatever the Father does, the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything he is doing. In fact, the Father will show him how to do even greater works than healing this man. Then you will truly be astonished. For just as the Father gives life to those he raises from the dead, so the Son gives life to anyone he wants. In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge, so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him. “I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life. “And I assure you that the time is coming, indeed it’s here now, when the dead will hear my voice—the voice of the Son of God. And those who listen will live. The Father has life in himself, and he has granted that same life-giving power to his Son. And he has given him authority to judge everyone because he is the Son of Man. Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son, and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment. I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will. “If I were to testify on my own behalf, my testimony would not be valid. But someone else is also testifying about me, and I assure you that everything he says about me is true. In fact, you sent investigators to listen to John the Baptist, and his testimony about me was true. Of course, I have no need of human witnesses, but I say these things so you might be saved. John was like a burning and shining lamp, and you were excited for a while about his message. But I have a greater witness than John—my teachings and my miracles. The Father gave me these works to accomplish, and they prove that he sent me. And the Father who sent me has testified about me himself. You have never heard his voice or seen him face to face, and you do not have his message in your hearts, because you do not believe me—the one he sent to you. “You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life. “Your approval means nothing to me, because I know you don’t have God’s love within you. For I have come to you in my Father’s name, and you have rejected me. Yet if others come in their own name, you gladly welcome them. No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God. “Yet it isn’t I who will accuse you before the Father. Moses will accuse you! Yes, Moses, in whom you put your hopes. If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you don’t believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”

How does John 5 destroy John 10 and Romans 10?

 

What version are you quoting from? NLT maybe? I’m not for sure as I’ve barely read that version.

 

Again, I say that you are clueless regarding what they say and thus you are wrong and don't understand what they say. sbg, you are the one in the wrong. You gotta deal with you.

 

Correct
I generally read ESV and NLT. They both have their benefits.

 

Not to derail the dismantling, but I’m enjoying reading your posted verses.

 

How about you address what I said.

Do you think this is unfair?

Is God unjust if He punishes all who have sinned with eternal damnation?

Would God be unfair if you, a known criminal and breaker of God's law, were judged according to the law of God?

Is God unfair when He grants mercy because His Son paid the penalty of the Law for you, but not for your neighbor?

Do you blame the President of the United States for pardoning some criminals, but not pardoning all criminals?

Think through what you are actually doing when you get upset at the reality that the Sovereign King chooses to be merciful to whom He wills. Why are you offended by the Kings choice? Do you think He is an unfair King?

 

Your logic is wrong as you read this passage. Look at it.
You quote one sentence and then conclude that "Jesus tells them that he wants to save."
You then jump to the conclusion that Jesus died (atoned) for all their sins.
Now look at John 5 and see how it does not support you.
John 5:21,24,37-40
For just as the Father gives life to those he raises from the dead, so the Son gives life to anyone he wants.

“I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

And the Father who sent me has testified about me himself. You have never heard his voice or seen him face to face, and you do not have his message in your hearts, because you do not believe me—the one he sent to you. “You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life.

sbg, you keep fighting against the bit of God's word.

 

He answered everything you asked in a way that you could not respond to me he most certainly responded very well