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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Nov 23, 2021.

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  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    Most of the replies on this thread, have moved away from the OP, which is that REPENTING for salvation, is NOT a WORK, which I have been falsely accused of. The Reformed theologians that I have quoted from, and many others, AGREE with what I have been saying for many months here on BB, though those who claim to be "reformed", will still argue with their OWN theologians.
     
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    Really? Should I get circumcised? Should I avoid seafood? Should I avoid mixed clothing? Should I be under the law? Should I go worship in Jerusalem?
     
    #102 George Antonios, Nov 24, 2021
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    more RUBBISH!
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    dude, the OP is limited, and ONLY this should be discussed here! If you have something to say on the OP, then please do so.
     
    #104 SavedByGrace, Nov 24, 2021
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    You should read your bible without the Calvinist glasses it would help in your understanding of the text.
     
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    Being born again--in John 3--is in the passive. So, it is done to you, not by you.

    The Archangel
     
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    Adam and Eve had true free will--the ability to obey and the ability to not obey.

    The Archangel
     
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    where did I say otherwise? the sinner first must repent and believe, and then the Holy Spirit saves.
     
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    so, the ability to not obey, is the same as "to sin". so what you say in # 81 is moot!
     
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    Hardly. There is a fundamental difference between the ability to obey and the ability to not obey before the fall and after the fall. After the fall, there is no longer the ability to obey and the ability to not obey. After the fall is no ability not to sin.

    Your entire line of "reasoning" seems to view the Bible as jumping from Genesis 2 to Genesis 4, completely skipping what happens in Genesis 3.

    The Archangel
     
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    Here:
    You are claiming that "regeneration" is something that is done by us. You make it more clear here:

    The problem is--according to John 3--being born again is not something you do; it is something done to you. The use of the passive voice in John 3 makes this quite clear.

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    Really, and where in the Bible do do read this? "After the fall is no ability not to sin"?

    Sounds like your theology, and not Scripture. After the fall, man can still OBEY and DISOBEY, there is not a single verse in the Bible that agrees with what you say. If there is, post this here
     
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    Wrong again! I am pointing out, that the English word "regeneration" in Titus 3:5, literally means "born-again". Paul here speaks of being "saved" the same as being "born-again".

    I don't know where you get me saying, ""regeneration" is something that is done by us?
     
    #113 SavedByGrace, Nov 24, 2021
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    That was in answer to your own point. But ok. Moving on.
     
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    yes he is posting that and thinks he is not by rewording it.
    Thanks for clarifying it.
     
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    Another STRAWMAN :Geek
     
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    If you had created you, your friend, and the victim and they all lived moment by moment only because you allowed them to, and if you could foresee and change a host of things at any time to prevent it then yes - you did ordain it in the way the reformers meant it. You did not directly cause it but that is not what they said. Some people try to have a coherent theology but you don't so in a way you have an advantage. The only way to truly vindicate God in the way you set things up is to say he didn't know what was going to happen. You will just deny that and you can because you sling random ideas around while claiming some higher knowledge. You are proving the need for some type of systemic theology, some kind of organized teaching, and you are showing the dangers of private interpretation.
     
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    No...we are just reading this misguided posts.
     
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    So let's try again. Which dispensation/age are you quoting from?
     
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    Give it to me in simple English
     
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