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Republicans for Obama

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Feb 27, 2008.

  1. Baptist Believer

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    Bingo!

    While I will likely vote for McCain (I've voted for Republican presidential candidates since Reagan), I crossed the lines and early-voted for Obama in the Texas Democratic primary.

    It is certainly possible, if not probable, that the Democratic candidate will win the Presidency, so I want a person of good character who has people skills in the White House.

    I am convinced that a President named Hillary Clinton would be a disaster for this nation.
     
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    IMHO, there is no viable candidate for POTUS in the upcoming election in November. :tear:
     
  3. HankD

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    Amen, I looked up the MacCain voting record and it is not unblemished.

    As an independent, If I had to categorize myself in terms of the two party system I'd be a pro-life bluedog Democrat.

    Fat chance of ever finding a candidate on the ticket.

    Can anyone imagine a liberal Democrat (or Republican) politician repeating these words today?

    "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you: Ask what you can do for your country,"

    And have we forgotten that JFK gave us the first income tax break?

    Found in the publc domain at http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200305/ai_n9282432

    What is the alternative to staying home though?



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  4. Jimmy Clifton

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    Good post. I doubt we will ever see Democrats on the scale of JFK, RFK, HHH, or Scoop Jackson much anymore. We have Lieberman (independent Dem) and Bayh but in the Senate, that's about it unless we look at Nelson and maybe a few others.

    I imagine JFK would be a Republican today.
     
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    This republican is NOT going to vote for Obama. It's not because I'm republican, it's because I'm a Christian, and I cannot in good conscience vote for someone who believes abortion is fine and who will openly cater to homosexuals. I don't care what color he is, what gender he is, or if he speaks well and has a fresh face. I believe the morality of our country is much more important than flowery speeches and charisma.
     
  6. KenH

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    Are you implying that anyone who votes for Senator Obama is not a Christian?
     
  7. Baptist Believer

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    If I avoided voting for presidential candidates with whom I had serious moral disagreements, I would have avoided voting for EVERY presidential candidate since I was eligible to vote (1984).

    FWIW, I have consistently voted Republican in the presidential races.
     
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    I can't speak for the man but as for myself voting for Obama doesn't mean one isn't a Christian. But for me, my values as a Christian mean that I cannot vote for him. In addition, I'm glad we are fighting radical Muslims in Iraq rather than here in our own land. It would be a disgrace to our country to leave Iraq now. I don't want hate crime laws passed that would go so far as to even label certain words a crime. I don't want homosexual activists in high government positions. I don't want taxes raised. I don't want liberal judges appointed to the supreme court. I'm glad the patriot act is in place and don't want it dismantled. I don't want unions having more influence in our government affairs than they already do. While our medical care system isn't perfect I certainly don't want to see it destroyed by socialized medicine. I don't want the religion of global warming (oh excuse me, "climate change.") to gain momentum. I don't want to see us become more beholden to the U.N. I don't want to see our laws overridden by so called international law. I don't want to see our constitution become more and more of a sham as it lives and breaths us towards socialism under the interpretation of Obama and his ilk. And, with Obama and and a democratic house and senate these and many other bad things are on the agenda.
     
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  9. KenH

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    How is continuing President Bush's Folly in Iraq stopping al Qaeda operatives from crossing our poorly guarded borders? It only took 20 men to pull off the attacks on 9/11/2001.

    How is continuing President Bush's Folly in Iraq helping with stablizing Afghanistan where the Taliban are still around and al Qaeda is now in western Pakistan and stronger than it has been after being routed in Afghanistan before President Bush foolishly downgraded the war in Afghanistan against the folks who attacked these United States on 9/11/2001 in order to invade Iraq which had nothing whatsoever to do with the attacks of 9/11/2001?
     
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    AMEN, sister. I will never, NEVER vote for ANYONE who supports the murder of innocent unborn children for any reason whatsoever. Never. And I can't understand why any professing Christian who would do the same.
     
  11. KenH

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    Are you implying that anyone who votes for Senator Obama is not a Christian?

    As for me my support for Senator Obama is on the issues of civil liberties and foreign policy compared to Senator McCain.
     
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    No. Read what I said. "I can't understand why any professing Christian who would do the same." Let me see if I can use some more words and make it more understandable.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why someone who professes to be a Christian, a follower of Christ and His Word can vote for a presidential candidate who supports the murder of innocent unborn children. Yes, there are a lot of important issues out there, but this is the most important to me. I do not understand how anyone can overlook this issue concerning the presidential candidate they will support.

    If a professing Christian thinks that the best way to honor Christ with their vote is to support a candidate who supports the intentional murder of innocent unborn children, then that is between them and their God. I cannot and will not.


    Edited to add: Maybe something wrong with me for not understanding why every Christian would not stand for life when given the opportunity.
     
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    Probably because they:

    1.) are not voting for candidates solely on the basis of their professed position on abortion
    2.) realize that by merely overturning Roe v. Wade, will simply turn the abortion issue back to the states where abortion will still be legal in most areas
    3.) understand that abortion will still continue (although, likely in a reduced capacity) in areas where it would be made illegal
    4.) knows that the real answer to abortion is a change in the hearts and minds of the general public, a change that will come as a result of the gospel being preached AND LIVED among Christian people, not as the result of laws
    5.) understand that really being "pro-life" involves making it financially and socially easier for the poor and disadvantaged to raise children

    And more two things for the record:

    1.) I can't stomach the blatant and ungodly hypocrisy of many of our Baptist churches that claim they are "pro-life" yet stigmatize and condemn unmarried pregnant women and mothers (obviously women who have NOT taken the "easy" way out with abortion). I personally know of a number of young church-going women over the years who have confessed to me (with great shame and regret) that they aborted their child because they did not believe the church would respond to them with mercy and grace. And I also know of a few other young women who became pregnant (one of them was raped, even though she didn't advertise it) who were soundly condemned by "Bible-believing" and "Jesus loving" congregations. You can't love God and treat your neighbor without mercy. You can't be "pro-life" and anti-grace at the same time.
    2.) I believe abortion is a sin against God and a blight upon our nation, and take that into consideration when I vote.
     
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    "Standing for life" is much broader than simply one's intellectual position on the abortion issue. We don't have forced abortions in this nation, we have women (sometimes under duress from men and/or their circumstances) choosing abortion.

    The most important area where we can truly change the abortion holocaust is to make it more appealing for women to choose life for their child. Churches need to be more involved in supporting pregnant women (including financial support for their daily needs and medical care) as well as supporting adoption services and getting involved in ministries directed toward crisis pregnancies.

    I would be delighted if Roe v. Wade were overturned, but that is only a very minor part of what it would mean to actually make a difference.
     
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    I agree.:thumbs:
     
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    You said it better than I could! Thank you. And for the record, yes, I do have some serious moral issues with some of the republicans I've voted for, but I had to choose the lesser of two evils. As a whole, the democrats are pro-abortion and pro-homosexual. The republicans, as a party, usually stand against these things. For me, it's pretty cut-and-dried.
     
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    Amen sister!

    It is rather a "duh" issue... any Christian should be able to see who God is against.
     
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