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Revelation 12

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Bugman, Aug 24, 2002.

  1. Bugman

    Bugman New Member

    Feb 19, 2002
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    I am having a discussion about this on another message board and I would like to hear your guys opinion.

    1. Is the woman Mary or Isreal? I hold that she's Isreal becasue her being Mary doesn't make sense, along with the symbolism of the 12 stars on her and what not.

    2. Are the stars being cast down a refrence to fallen angels. I had always assumed they were, but I've come across the opinion that they are Isreal refering back to how Isreal was to be numbered like the Stars in the OT (Gen 26:4, Ex 32:12, DT 10:22, NE 9:23...etc.) I have yet to coem across a verse that equates Angels with stars. Also since if the stars are angels they are cast down to earth by Satan, yet then they are back fightening in Heaven in verse 7, and cast out again in verse 9.

    Any help getting this sorted out would be very much appreciated.

  2. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
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    Aug 30, 2001
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    Try this way of thinking... The Old Testament is The New Testament consealed and The New Testament is The Old Testament revealed. This is especially important when studying the book of Revelation!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
  3. Michael Estes

    Michael Estes New Member

    Dec 12, 2001
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    The great harlot referred to in the Bible is neither Mary nor Israel. She represents all the people in the world who have rejected the word of God. She is a whore and adulteress. Here's the comparison. The Christian church is the bride of Christ. Meaning we are faithful as a bride to the word of God through Jesus. Just like a pledged wife is supposed to be faithful to her betrothed. Key word "faithful." The harlot (or whore) is not faithful to the bridegroom Jesus and spends all her time cheating on Jesus by her adulteries and refusal to honor the commitment (covenant) with God. There you go. Hope this helps.
  4. eric_b

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    Aug 19, 2002
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    No, wrong woman, he's talking about the woman from Rev 12, not the harlot. Take a look at Rev 12 before trying to answer his question. The consensus interpretation, I think, is for the woman to symbolize Israel. The harlot (mentioned in other chapters) symbolizes the corrupt church of the Beast and Anti-Christ, I believe.


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