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Revelation 7: 9-17

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by amixedupmom, Jun 24, 2004.

  1. amixedupmom

    amixedupmom Guest

    This question springs up from my Eph post and my reading yesterday ...Actually it's two questions i'll list seperately.

    First question is on this verse. Is the Multitude listed here, ALL the saved people (i'm getting this because it says the numbers are too great to count). Or just out of the tribulation?

    I'm a bit fuzzy on this issue If you could help me out please.

    (I use the NIV, and the KJV 1611 translations [​IMG]
  2. psr.2

    psr.2 Guest

    Verse 14 is the key. All saved in the trib.
  3. amixedupmom

    amixedupmom Guest

    OK so question, Where are we (We being those saved by grace as in myself)?
  4. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Aug 20, 2002
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    Revelation 7:14 (NLT = new Living Translation):

    And I said to him, "Sir, you are the one who knows.
    "Then he said to me,
    "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation.
    They washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb
    and made them white.

    Revelation 7:14 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible)

    I said to him, "Sir, you know." Then he told me:
    These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation.
    They washed their robes and made them white
    in the blood of the Lamb.

    As the 144,000 earlier, these unnumbered multitude are
    those raptured/resurrected at the pretribulation
    rapture/resurrection. The 144,000 Jewish/Israeli's
    are appointed for special service to Jesus
    during the Tribulation Period (see also Rev 14:1-5.

    These unnumbered multitude before the Throne of God
    are the saved of the Church Age: the mostly gentiles
    and a few 100s of thousands of Messanic Jews
    (those Jews who accept Jesus as their Messiah)
    who were the elect saints of God: the redeemed,
    born-again, saved Christians.

    These are they which have come out of the Great
    Tribulation period wrath Judgments by
    being taken out of the regular universe into
    the eternal Heaven wherein lies God's throne
    (and we see them there, before God's throne).

    Later in Revelation, the number 200 Million is named.
    For there to be unnumbered Millions before the throne,
    there must be LOT more than 200 Millions.

    Number of persons born 33AD to 1990AD - 34,903 Million
    Number of Christians 33AD to 1990 - 8,286 Million (about 25%)

    Number of persons living 2004AD - 6,000 Million
    Number of Christians living 2004AD - 2,000 Million (about 33%)

    Countilng a goodly number of the 8,286 nominal
    Christians as dead real Christians and a goodly
    number of the 2,000 MIllion living Christians
    as being real Christians (the one on God's list) --
    I think there will be well over 2,000 Million Resurrected
    and well over 400 Million Raptured --
    the unnumbered souls worshiping God before the throne.
    I'm planning on being there. Hope to see you there,
    round the throne, right after the Pre-tribulation

    "(I use the NIV, and the KJV 1611 translations"

    I recognize the NIV (sorry, i don't have an electronic copy).
    "KJV 1611 translation" is NOT a specific term. Many different
    Bibles are called that. So I don't know to which
    book (or electronic equivalent) you refer.

    Here is the reading of
    Revelation 7:14 in the book I call
    the KJV1611:

    Reuelation VII:14 (KJV1611):

    And I said vnto him, Sir, thou
    knowest. And he said to me, These are
    they which came out of great tribulation
    and have washed their robes, and
    made them white in the blood of the

  5. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Aug 20, 2002
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    Verse 14, properly understood,
    is the key. Nary a one shown under
    the throne here in chapter 7 is saved
    during tribulation period wrath judgements.

    Here is what happens to the ones who are
    in the tribulation period wrath judgements:

    Revelation 9:20 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible)

    The rest of the people, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands to stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which are not able to see, hear, or walk.
    And they did not repent of their murders, their sorceries, their sexual immorality, or their thefts.

    How are these people saved in the Tribulation
    Period Wrath Judgements if they don't repent?
    They aren't saved.

    Sorry, my Messanic Jewish friends say
    that when the last Gentile who is going to
    get saved, gets saved, then the Lord
    will have a pretribulation rapture/resurrection.
    Then our blessed Lord and Savior:
    their Messiah Jesus, will get around to
    saving a maximum number of Jews.

    I know perchance that God will have mercy
    on some gentiles during the Tribulation
    Period wrath Judgements. But i'm betting
    on the SURE THING: now is the time appointed
    for salvation. I'm not going to risk my
    eternal soul on a "might get saved"
    left behind, made a fool of a
    96-pound weaking antichrist scenario.

  6. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Aug 20, 2002
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    That is us, the ones before the very Throne
    of God. It is you and i and the others
    that have trusted the Lord Jesus for
    eternal salvation. For the the pretribulation
    rapture/resurrection, our faith will
    become sight! Amen!

    I need to run wash my robe in
    the Blood of the Lambe.
    I need to repent of unmitigated
    "toast posties" [​IMG]

    /note for the humor impared.
    A pun based on the trade mark
    POST TOASTIES, a whole grain breakfast
    cereal. Posties are those who believe
    the only rapture/resurrection will be
    at the end of the tribualtion period
    wrath judgements. I have toasted those
    posties with righteous Biblical arguments.

    I have a reoccuring night dream.
    I'm getting ready to hit "Enter".
    I've written the most diplomatic,
    Biblically correct, easy to understand,
    definative post. I've blown the socks
    off of those who choose to argue with me.
    I am a tad put out thou :( I'd like to
    read what i wrote before i post.
    But it is a dream, and the dreaming part
    of my mind is incapable of reading.
    I'd like to know what i said cause i can
    use it when i wake up ;) /

  7. amixedupmom

    amixedupmom Guest

    I understand. This was the first time I have read the entire book ( and just not a few verses) the reason I really asked is I didn't think it could be a group of people I thought it was just one. Give me time i'll get the hang of this [​IMG]