Role of Women

This is by far the most controversial topic other than calvinism and arminism (please don't even start anything about this. no one wins! ) But, the question is, what is a woman's role in the church? It seems to me that it's all backwards. Here's what I mean:

Everyone is talking about how a woman should stop doing this and that (job leadership, military, church leadership) because they're not supposed to do anything like that! But they miss the point! The point is that a man should take such good care of his wife that she doesn't have to do anything!(Yes, I'm a guy, and I'm sure I'll regret that...one day! LOL! )

Anyways, I don't know if any of you have been reading Paul's letters lately, but how about when he straight-up tells one church that the words he was saying(it was only for 2 paragraphs I believe) were not God's, but his. It didn't apply to this topic, but it is usefull for reference. But when it comes to most passages like this, he usually says: "I want..." I believe he wanted to make himself VERY clear.

What I believe he was doing was upholding the Jewish and actually nearly ALL cultural laws of that day! It was a man's world then. It does NOT mean that those passages can't be usefull today though! Here's an example for this:

Paul talked about slaves and masters in the several passages. Now, there's none of that today, but it is still very applicable if we change it around to employers and employees!

But, here's where I give the flip-side of the story!

There's a reason for all of that being said. It was said to uphold the family. If a husband and wife saw themselves as the heads of their house, then they would destroy their homes! You can't have to masters, that's wha tJesus said!(I know He was talking about this, but it applies!) This goes for ANY position though. Job, home, church, etc.; they all have to have a non-competitive head so that the establishment does NOT fall!

So, after pointing out both sides, the question is: What are you trying to say!

What I'm trying to say is:
1) A man should take care of his wife. She's his trophy!
2) A woman CAN preach and can be called to lead! (Check out Judges!)
3) With God as the head of every home, church, job, nation; there would be no competition within the family. To prove this, men, look at #1!

I'll get back to ALL of you with passages for EVERYTHING later on either tonight or tommorrow.

Thanks for all comments!
And remember! If you keep the first commandment! You keep them all! (Think about it!)

-CubeX

 

I tried to edit the first post, BUT I had already timed out; but I just wanted to also point out 3 things:
1) This is not a post that supports feminism. That's the same thing as sexism except from a women's point of view!
2) This is intended to address isues inside the church AS well as outside the church.
3) This is just to let you all know that when I post, I tend to sway back and forth between sides to point out both the possitives and negatives or each side! It helps everyone! (I think! - Oh yeah, and to lighten moods, I tend to always post things like this! )

Anyways, I'll be studying tonight and I'll collect some passages for both sides the best I can. It's hard for me because I always link everything together and it takes a while!

Thanks,
-CubeX

(Also, I do believe that this is different from the other post titled similarly!)

 

Yes, I do believe that Paul preferred that a man be a preacher; but part of that was because in that day, a man HAD to be in charge! A woman being in charge was not a common thing. Also, just a thought, but how would the non-Christians of that day respond to such a feat? Also, I believe that Pual reinforced that a man be in charge because of his growing up with the law. He understood its sensitivity to the Jewish areas and even ouside of those.

But another thought is that in Acts, we see God proclaiming that that everything was clean in the vision of the clothe unfolding the food and Peter rejecting it b/c it was "unclean" by the law. But God said that EVERYTHING was clean that he had made and everyone had the right to the Kingdom of God; and also, I know that this will be controversial, that everyone has an equal chance of opportunities. Please consider this WISELY before responding.

I have more, but I will wait until the appropriate time to surface it.

Thanks for discussing both sides of the topic,
-CubeX

 

But what about the times that he said that the command wasn't from God but from himself. It's just like looking at not participating in the lotery b/c the Bible says NOT to gamble. There's no direct quote that says "Don't participate in a lottery"; but, when applied, you see that the parts of the lottery that are similar to those of gambling. You make the connection, interpret wisely (I know that there will be a comment, but I will say that YES there are clear ways to interpret Scripture. It's taught in Seminary.), and then apply it correctly.

The fact is, you need to look at the questions of: Why did he say that? What was going on in that time of history? What was the basis of that culture? and many more.

But again I ask, what about the times Paul straight forwardly tells the readers that he is the one giving the command. Why? Because there wasn't one DIRECTLY, but God made others still apply.

It's just like what Jesus said: If you lust after a woman, you have commited adultry with her in your heart.

There are many examples in Matthew.

Thanks for your responses!
-CubeX

 

Charles Meadows, I believe you hold the best answer. Paul did not say women could not be preachers. But he probably knew the importance of a man's leadership b/c God did create us as the stronger sex. Paul said that.

I believe that saying that men were preferably the right ones for the job, but not that a woman could not be called.

-CubeX

(Oh yeah, and a thought, what if a beautiful woman was preaching a sermon? A man wouldn't pay any attention to the words. What a thought, huh? I believe I'm understanding the passage's "why" question now!)

 

No, no, no... heheh. I meant that males are more distracted by women than women are by males! It is a fact. I'm sure you agree that the temptation doesn't change. Even for ministers. I've personally had one leave because of cheating on his wife with another woman. And all the reported youth ministers reported for molestation. It is the fact that men are more distracted than women when it comes to this area. This was a basic example that does not apply to every male; but for a very good number, yes. But I will state that it DOES NOT apply to everyone instead of a "may, because of the truth. The only reason I've stumbled upon that as a reason was because of my studying of phycology in Apologetics class.

-CubeX

 

I agree!

-CubeX