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Your "interpretive translation" lifts man to supremacy and attempts to bring God down. You are simply too blind to see it so God will need to correct you.

If God had not given you His gracious gift of faith, you would be a dead man walking.
God credits faith purely because it is his faith, which he gave you to believe. His gifted faith is righteous. Your man filled attempt at faith is filthy and empty of God's power.
Until you credit God with giving you your faith, you will be in error.

 

You must not have thought the position stated in your post through to it’s logical outcome.

Rom 1:20 tells us that sinful man, that’s all of us, really have no excuse for not knowing their is a God. Now according to what you have posted God has to give a person the gift of faith so they can believe. I have to conclude that you get this idea from your reading of Eph 2:8.

Now we know that God would like all people to come to faith 1Ti 2:4 and because God loved us He sent the Son to be the propitiation for our sins 1Jn 4:10 and that the Son gave Himself as a ransom for all 1Ti 2:6 and by that is meant the whole world 1Jn 2:2.

When you consider that we are all sinners and according to you the only way a person can have faith is if God gives it to them, then all those that God does not give faith actually do have a real excuse. Those that are in hell never had a chance to be saved. Does that seem like the God who is love 1Jn 4:16?

God does not give us His faith so as to believe but He does give us the ability to exercise our faith so as to believe.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Now in case you are going to say that the gospel is just foolishness to the lost 1Co 1:18. Let me remind you that if God is the one that gives faith to believe as you say then we are back to the same problem. It is not that they would not believe it is that they could not believe, according to you.

 

Can you please explain Romans 12:3 in light of II Thess 3:2?

One (Romans 12:3) say God has all given us the faith to believe the Gospel while II Thess 3:2 says “not all have faith”

how can that be?

those 2 verses are diametrically opposed to each other in what you teach

we believe that God has given faith to the elect only especially since Romans was written to the Church at Rome and that is whom Paul is addressing

 

I honestly thought that it was truly impossible to butcher that passage (Romans 5:1), but again, Van proved me wrong

 

Thanks for showing us how your mind twists things up. Your post here is a perfect example of how humanism works.

I already went through 1 Timothy 2. You keep ignoring the context in the verses surrounding your quote. It seems you do this intentionally so as to misrepresent what God is saying.

Here is one of your failed thoughts.
Humans do not go to hell only for not believing. They go to hell primarily for having rebelled and broken God's moral law. Being found guilty of breaking God's moral law, they are sent to hell. This is just and loving. You seem to reject this, however.

Here is your humanism, perfectly articulated to us all. Here you lift up man upon the throne and exalt him. "All hail man" might be your motto.

Here we see how you openly ignore context. Your use of the Bible is worldly and carnal.

Here you simply ignore Romans 1 and Romans 3 as well as Romans 9. It's according to God that he has "mercy upon whom he has mercy and hardens whom he wills."

Silverhair, you and I are secondary in salvation, but you keep fighting to make yourself primary in your salvation.

 

Van

our opinions about how to interpret scripture are all irrelevant Whether it’s me, Austin, You or whomever.

rule #2 in hermeneutics is that Scripture only has 1 meaning and only 1 meaning, so these individualized meanings of yours are irrelevant and in most cases borderline heretical.

the Bible has been around 2,000 yrs and there is nothing that is truly new that can be said about it Rule #3 is that Scripture is clear in what it is conveying to mankind

some of your interpretations are of your own imagination and quite honestly it makes you look very bad to those who are even remotely skilled in the Word of God

also your use and knowledge of Koine Greek has also been proven to be quite deficient even in this current thread

You have been corrected over and over, yet continue anyways.

I am seriously only trying to help you out my friend.

your novel ideas and interpretations do much to harm the faith, please spend a lot of time learning from others before you go to correcting the original Greek and provide interpretations which are only serving to undermine the Word of God

please stop

 

You do see the contrast that Paul mentions in 2Th 3:1-2. Brethren {believers} in vs 1 and unreasonable and wicked men {nonbelievers} vs 2. So here we see faith as a reference to salvation.

Now when we look at Rom 12:3 we see the phrase “God has dealt to each one a measure of faith”. You stated that they are “diametrically opposed to each other in what you teach” but is this view correct?

Once again we have to look to context to inform us. We see from Rom 12:1 that Paul is writing to the brethren {believers}. When you study the context Rom 12:3-8 we see that Paul is not speaking of salvation but rather of service. The expression “measure of faith” refers to the spiritual capacity and/or power given to each member of the body to carry out his or her function in and for the building up of the body. We see this stated clearly, by Paul, in 1Co 12:7-11 in speaking of the gifts of the Spirit.

You stated “we believe that God has given faith to the elect only”. What is your justification for that view? How does that view comport with:
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

We can see in vs 22 that while the righteousness of God is offered to all it is only of benefit to those that believe. God does not give us His faith so as to believe but He does give us the ability to exercise our faith so as to believe.

 

You have been shown the correct understanding of 1Ti 2:1-6 a number of times yet you just ignore it. The context of those verses tells us God desires “all men” to be saved, not just some men as you would have it understood. You fail again to see the truth in the words “Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all”. That is why Paul tells us to pray for “all men” which would include Kings and those in authority. By your logic we should only pray for “kings and all who are in authority”, what about the lost or our families?

Once again you overlook the fact we are all hell bound sinners. So it is not that we are different from those in hell. The reason they are there is because, according to your view, God did not give them faith so as to be saved. Can anyone keep God’s moral law so that they earn the right to be in heaven, NO. So the only difference is faith. Since by your view God has to give them faith, and He did not do so, then those that are in hell are there for that reason.

“God does not give us His faith so as to believe but He does give us the ability to exercise our faith so as to believe.” Your struggle with this just points out your theological error. The gospel of Christ, is the power of God to salvation and we are told that faith comes by hearing and believing the gospel message. Why do you deny this?

I notice that again you say I ignore context but you never show where that is so. Show me where context disagrees with what I have posted.

Faith in the Son is the condition that God has made. If man has to wait for God to give him this faith, as you posit, then those that do not get this faith can not be saved can they. So those in hell can rightly say to God, you never gave me faith so as to be saved. This is the error that your theology presents.

 

Useless drivel that makes no sense

 

Sigh...your entire post here is inaccurate and you have shown such hubris as to make it a worthless attempt on my part to keep correcting your humanist teaching. People can read your posts and recognize your attempts to bring God down and lift man up

 

So now you call the bible "Useless drivel". Your just proving yourself to be not worth the effort to deal with. Your comment does reveal a lot about your theology though.

 

Sigh. It is sad that you continue to ignore what the bible shows you. Your not disagreeing with me but with the bible. You are just upset because someone points out your errors. You hold to your calvinism and I will hold to the bible.

 

Not at all

you need to learn to read and not misrepresent what people say

I called your interpretation useless drivel that makes no sense

peace to you

 

As I said it says a great deal about what you think of scripture.

 

Silverhair never told me he was a real Christian.

 

He's saying that the Saved soul was not Made Righteous before he was 'declared righteous', as if he 'had some mystical faith from within himself', then God Said, "Behold, I now Declare him Righteous", which would be unsound error.

Faith has an object. The soul, including Abraham's must be GIVEN Faith IN The Righteousness of Jesus.

THAT Faith IN Jesus Righteousness was Credited, Given, Imputed to Abraham.

 

Thank God, for real Christians.