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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Iconoclast, Apr 6, 2022.

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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    God's divine attributes as spiritual things. Thus the bogus claim the lost cannot understand any of the spiritual things is proven to be false doctrine, the sum and substance of Calvinism.
     
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    Here is a classic John Owen quote to consider:


    "I have demonstrated before that all spiritual truth which God has revealed is contained in the Scriptures, and that our true wisdom is based upon spiritual understanding of these Biblical truths. It will, therefore, be granted on all hands that diligent reading of the Scriptures and holy meditation upon them, is of absolute necessity for all aspirants to theology. Sadly, although a good deal of lip-service is paid to this principle, daily experience will show how few there are who really apply themselves to it with due application and a correct frame of mind. For the rest, a neglect of this is not a drawback to their studies but rather a death-blow…

    …Perhaps the excuse is that they have immersed themselves in the works of ancient and modern theologians, and so learn from these guides as they painstakingly explain the Scriptures? I do not despise such means. I applaud their diligence. But still this is not to study the Scriptures!
    It is one matter to listen to these authorities and a very different matter to read the Bible itself after begging the illuminating aid of the Spirit, through faith in Christ, and to so meditate upon it as to be filled with that Spirit which indicted it and lives in it. What a difference this is to merely looking out through the eyes of other men, however learned and truthful they may be."

    —John Owen, Biblical Theology, pp. 694-695.
     
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    A good quote, but off topic.
     
    #123 Iconoclast, Apr 12, 2022
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    Finney was a heretic
     
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    I do not agree with all of their theology, but you would be very hard pressed to give to us current versions of a Calvin or Gill!
     
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    Its not just Owen, as pretty much any writer on scripture back then was very :long winded", due to them being really exhaustive in their regards to understanding the scriptures, not like the fluff pienes of a Joel Olsteen today!
     
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    Not really. Since we introduced Owen it is only fitting to understand from Owen how he would have his words taken.
     
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    Language is a lost art.
     
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    In terms of scholarship, not really. You just have to look. We are, as a "Christian" culture flooded with shallow opinions. But there are still some very good theologians and Christian thinkers (even if we wouldn't agree with all they say).

    People like dead writers for several reasons. One is perhaps the fact they are not here to clarify their writings or to engage contemporary circumstances.
     
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    So you still disagree with the Apostle Paul on this?
     
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    Who would you see as being as theologically astute as those men were then?
     
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    He passed away in the 60's, but the Reformed theologian Karl Barth was perhaps more astute. Paul Tillich was at least as astute (he passed, I think a few years before Barth).

    There's Story, Lochman,

    Today N.T. Wright, another Reformed theologian, is perhaps more astute (even if we disagree with some of his doctrines). There is also Wolfes, Lyons, Bowker, Schäfer, Christopher Hall, Bolt, Muller, Ferguson, Packed, Rowland, . . . The list goes on.

    God has given our times with many scholars and theologians just as gifted as Owen's, Hill, Wesley, and Calvin.
     
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    Calvinism disagrees with Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Jude, and the author of Hebrews.
     
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    Rom 8:6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
    Rom 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, NASB

    Rom 8:6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace;
    Rom 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. NIV 1984

    Rom 8:6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
    Rom 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. ESV

    Notice, SBG, that different bibles translate the Greek differently but all convey the same thought. Your comment to Van was unwarranted an you should apologize.
     
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    @SavedByGrace likes to show off his ability to copy and paste Greek text to this site. It's very impressive. Never mind that it's 'Greek' to most of us, he just wants us to know that he can do that.
     
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    when YOU know Greek grammar for YOUSELF, come on here and post!
     
    #136 SavedByGrace, Apr 12, 2022
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    Barth seemed to teach Universalism though, Tillich more new age then christian, and NT Wright right on resurrection of Christ, dead wrong on Pauline Justification!
     
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    dude, why don't you prove that I am wrong then? IF you can! There are many instances that the Bible translations get it WRONG!
     
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    Would say we agree with all of the inspired writers!
     
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    KJV, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

    NKJV, "For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace"

    AJKV, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace"

    Webster, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace"

    Tyndale, "To be carnally mynded is deeth. But to be spiritually mynded is lyfe and peace"

    Bishops, "To be carnally mynded, is death: But to be spiritually mynded, is lyfe & peace"

    Heweis, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace"

    Worsley, "Now to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace"

    Lasma, "To be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace"

    Godbey, "for the mind of depravity is death: and the mind of the Spirit is life and peace"
     
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