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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 15, 2021.

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  1. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    Of course it does not say that.
    Were you in Christ before the foundation of the world? Fair question. Yes or no?
     
    #101 George Antonios, Feb 16, 2021
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    Nothing whatsoever to do with Pharaoh, all the unsaved
     
    #102 SavedByGrace, Feb 16, 2021
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    I have no idea what you are trying to point out here.
     
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    Chosen in Christ? Yes. In Christ? No.
     
    #104 Reformed1689, Feb 16, 2021
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    Those who are against the sovereignty of God seem to want to keep intact at all costs "free will" of lost sinners!
     
    #105 Yeshua1, Feb 16, 2021
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    I firmly believe in free will. They just define free will differently than what is reality.
     
    #106 Reformed1689, Feb 16, 2021
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    Man you are arguing such nonsense :eek:
     
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    :Roflmao
     
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    You were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world while not being in Christ from the foundation of the world?

    I sense the classic appeal to the "it's a mystery" argument coming down the lane.
     
    #109 George Antonios, Feb 16, 2021
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    Which do you find funny? That me, a Calvinist, believes in free will? Or that I think your definition of free will is different from reality?
     
    #110 Reformed1689, Feb 16, 2021
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    Why do you think we are in Christ from before the foundation of the world? Meaning saved before the foundation of the world? Who here has argued that?
     
    #111 Reformed1689, Feb 16, 2021
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    A Calvinist cannot believe in free will for any unsaved person. Show otherwise
     
    #112 SavedByGrace, Feb 16, 2021
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    Who does the choosing to place us into Jesus, ourselves of God the Father?
     
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    We do, its just that the free will of the lost sinner is bound and restrained by the sin nature!
     
    #114 Yeshua1, Feb 16, 2021
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    What has that got to do with the OP
     
    #115 SavedByGrace, Feb 16, 2021
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    Simple. I believe every human has free will to choose what they desire.
     
    #116 Reformed1689, Feb 16, 2021
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    Explain
     
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    In other words, they do not desire God. They desire their sin.
     
    #118 Reformed1689, Feb 16, 2021
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    Then you are NOT a true Calvinist or really reformed
     
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    That is no true about the Roman Catholic nuns for example
     
    #120 SavedByGrace, Feb 16, 2021
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