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Salvation by any other name.....

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Apr 19, 2018.

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  1. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    your mistake , the verse does not say what you suppose,
     
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    The verse says what it says. "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

    Now, do you have a quote where I said something humanistic, or are you prepared to apologize?

    The clock is ticking.
     
    #102 TCassidy, Apr 20, 2018
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    So only people who have met Christ in person, face to face, are saved? So you are saying that we are all lost because we have never known Christ personally?

    Again, do you have a quote where I said something humanistic, or are you prepared to apologize?

    The clock is ticking.
     
    #103 TCassidy, Apr 20, 2018
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    They were in the old Covenant relationship with God, as they had hope and faith in what God had revealed to them at their time.
     
    #104 Yeshua1, Apr 20, 2018
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    Any thing that places the human condition over the spiritual is basically humanistic. Jesus warned against this when He said your eye offend you, This position that places importance of what happens as a human verses what seems to happen as a spirit. is humanistic. [Personal attack edited.] So doctrine that the OT saints DID know completely as we do or that there was special knowledge shown to them is false. This is doctrine to fit a the understanding of a supposed truth rather than accepting what the scripture and teaching what the scripture says , even if we do not fully understand.

    You have pointed out some due to the true translation as your posts on Gen 1
     
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    • A different way to heaven? , rather than a individual relationship with Jesus, This does not fit the character of God
     
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    There is only 1 way to heaven, by the Cross of Christ, but the OT saints believed in what God had revealed to them in that Covenant, which was not the full progressive revelation of say Romans!
     
    #107 Yeshua1, Apr 20, 2018
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    missed the first part, not personally like Saul but individually as a personal Savior

    No , I am saying they were righteous , according ti God but did not have salvation ,we have, until they were complete in Jesus .

    Same as after the Crucifixion,
     
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    They were just as "saved" as we now are, but did not experience the full spiritual blessings, such as a direct access to God!
     
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    I think this reduces to the difference between Paradise and Heaven.
     
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    Why did they not have access?
     
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    the veil was not yet torn, had to go thru priests to get to God.
     
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    And when the veil was torn they could. The separation was gone because Jesus was accepted as the proper sacrifice.
    They were not in Heaven but Paradise waiting for things to be finished. They could enter Heaven when things happened and the veil was open for man.

    Do I recall the veil was 6" ? maybe 4 thick
     
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    This is where we and TCassidy seem to be disagreeing on, as he sees them going straight into heaven at death, even if OT times.
     
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    What is this "incomplete" Jesus you think they had?
     
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    Yes we after they could not
     
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    Not Jesus. Those who were righteous but not complete. The were made complete when Jesus told them the gospel story just like Cleopas
     
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    Please post a quote from me where I did that. If you can't, apologize for making things up.

    Again, you are making up falsehoods. Quote a post by me where I ever said any such thing. If you can't, apologize for making things up.

    Quote me ever saying the OT saints knew completely as we do, or that they were given special knowledge. If you can't, apologize for making things up.

    The clock is ticking.
     
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    Then who saved them? Is that another savior?

    If Christ's Righteousness, which He imputes to us, is not complete then Christ failed in His ministry of Sacrifice.

    Cleopas didn't recognize the resurrected Jesus. It had nothing to do with him have incomplete salvation.

    By the way. I am still waiting for your quotes or your apology.

    The clock is ticking.
     
    #119 TCassidy, Apr 20, 2018
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    It is a general bias, the only thing in these threads is declsri f that this life is all that matters, especially for their saints
     
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