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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Revealing Grace + Repentance + Faith + Election + Spiritual Baptism + Conversion + Indwelling = Salvation + Good Works

    Where:

    Revealing Grace = hearing and understanding the call through the gospel of Christ.

    Repentance + Faith = turning from our self-centered life to trusting in Christ alone with our life, now and forever.

    Election = God choosing for salvation those whose faith He credits as righteousness.

    Spiritual Baptism = God sets a person apart by placing them spiritually “in Christ.”

    Conversion = Once “in Christ” a person undergoes the circumcision of Christ and arises “in Christ” a new creation, created for good works. It is a spiritual work of God, not us changing our minds.

    Indwelling = After God puts us spiritually in Christ, He seals us with the Holy Spirit forever. The Holy Spirit provides each born again (converted) believer with light to understand the meat of God’s word, awareness of the will of God, and brings to mind our sins such that we are convicted. As we grow more mature, we will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.

    Salvation = First our "spiritual baptism into Christ" results in "positional sanctification" freeing us from the penalty of sin; Next as our indwelt Holy Spirit leads us from new born Christian to Christian maturity describes our "progressive sanctification" freeing us from the power of sin; and finally our adoption in glorified bodies at Christ's second coming results in our "ultimate sanctification" freeing us from the presence of sin.

    Good Works = reflects our accomplishments for Christ after our positional sanctification and conversion during the remainder of our physical lifetime. If we build on Christ's foundation, we will enter heaven "abundantly" but if our "good works" burn up like straw, we still enter heaven, but as one escaping from a fire.
     
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    Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
     
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    John 3:16 says everyone who believes into Christ shall not perish but have eternal life. How does God put us into Christ - the sanctifying work of the Spirit 1 Peter 1:1-2
     
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    Adding "good works" to the formula for salvation is a bit like adding "a hearty appetite" to a dinner recipe.

    Rob
     
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    What is necessary for Salvation. Hank hit the nail on the head. Belief is all that is necessary. Once we believe we are saved. We can't believe and not be saved. Seems simple, and it is.

    Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


    MB
     
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    Ephesians 2
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    We most often forget verse 10!

    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    God works are part of our salvation.

    Notice that in the EARTHLY time line continuum GRACE and FAITH come first not the good works - the good works come POST salvation to fulfill our predestiny.

    Why? Because we are dead and lost and hopeless without the grace of God. Without grace FIRST there can be no good works.

    "walk in them" The NC way of saying - LIVE in them, or - make them your way of life.!
     
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    It is God who counts our faith as righteousness. Ask yourself, what if you faith was superficial, like soil #2, or your faith was not only in Christ, but you still treasured worldly things like soil #3, did God credit those "faiths" as righteousness? I do not think so. (Matthew 13:20-22)
     
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    Salvation, positional sanctification, results in us being created for good works. It is part of the equation. But "good works" does not sustain our salvation, we still get to heaven even if we push mistaken doctrine, which does not merit eternal rewards. Once saved, always saved!
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that!
    This is where you and I differ. Unless you are void and destitute you too value things of this world. We all do. The most important thing is to not let the things of this world rule in your life. Not to allow your self to love them more than God. There isn't anything I love more than God. We all sin you do as well. And when you were forgiven of your sin you were forgiven of all the sins in your whole life Past, present, and future.
    It is too bad that you feel you have to work to keep your Salvation

    Soloman wrote;
    Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

    The only man ever to live with out sin Is Jesus Christ.
    Paul had his thorn in his side that thorn was a messenger from Satan. It was sin that he could not over come. He asked God to remove it bur God said my grace is sufficient for you, and did not remove it.
    We do not have to work for Salvation and we do not have to work to keep it.
    How ever if God tells you to do something and then you refuse. God may take you home early.

    Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
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    From my prior post: But "good works" does not sustain our salvation, we still get to heaven even if we push mistaken doctrine, which does not merit eternal rewards. Once saved, always saved!

    Yes we differ. God rejects "superficial" faith or or faith that lets worldly concerns choke out our devotion to God. But we do agree, we all sin in our own estimation. Of course, in Christ we are sinless in God's eyes. We agree our sins, past, present and future are forgiven.
     
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    Not sure what the purpose of this post is, it reads like you did not understand the opening post.
    Good works are the result of salvation, we are created in Christ for good works. It is something we can only do after we are born anew in Christ. Before that, while lost all our works of righteousness are filthy rags.

    Next you seem to be pushing all born anew are predestined to produce good works. What about those who enter heaven as one escaping from a fire?

    Please stop wasting space addressing false conclusions.
     
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    Thus far, the only objection to the equation is the claim if we believe in our own estimation, we are automatically saved. They claim God does not determine whether we believe in accordance with His standards. Romans 4 teaches God does.
     
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    No one said your faith was rejected by God. God knows who are His. Scripture tells me not to judge.

    We differ in that you seem to think if a person, in their own estimation, has faith in Christ, they are automatically saved. Scripture teaches that it is God who decides whose faith will be credited as righteousness.
     
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    It seems you think I believe superficial faith is sufficient. I never said that it was. Stop assuming I did. What I did say is that your so called Salvation formula couldn't be more wrong when you include works as part of Salvation. That does not add up to superficial, that is simply the truth.
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    That is what you get for misjudging another. I never said anything to you to make you think such a thing.
    I merely pointed out that works is not part of the Salvation formula.
    MB
     
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    Speakest for thyself John Alden?
     
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    MB, the equation says salvation results in "good works." Twice now you have suggested I said salvation is the result of works. Once saved (positionally sanctified) we are a new creation created for "good works."

    Here is what you said "It is too bad that you [Van] feel you have to work to keep your Salvation" "I merely pointed out that works is not part of the Salvation formula."

    And to repeat here is what I [Van] said:But "good works" does not sustain our salvation, we still get to heaven

    If all you want to post about is false charges, please do not waste electrons. If you have any views that actually differ from the OP, please address the specifics.
     
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    Van I do not wish to argue with you. Here is what your opening post said;
    I disagree with quite a few things in this above. Why would I ask my self if my faith is superficial? When I lean on Jesus every day. I believe in the Lord as my provider. I could not answer your question because I can't imagine it.

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    Hi MB, I did not see any specifics. I did not ask you to question your faith. I am to question my faith, per Paul's instructions concerning communion.
     
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    I don't get what you're trying to say with a mathematical term such as "equation". I don't believe you placed any Equations in any of your post.
    Actually your opening post is terrible. You should have learned how to make a proper list.It's your opening post that is causing the problems. You wrote it then never looked back. If you can't see anything wrong with it you need to take some English lessons. You have yet to see that the way you wrote it makes it sound as if you are promoting a works for Salvation position. Then you get upset because people can't read your mind and know what you are trying to say.

    There is only one thing needful for Salvation FAITH Nothing else on man's part. If you start adding things to that faith you are then mistaken
    MB
     
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