Featured Salvation the Arminian Way

John Bunyan was a Calvinist. It's hard to imagine he would have written with an Arminian perspective. Also, read all the scripture he uses and it seems extremely unlikely that there is any Arminian view of salvation presented in Pilgrim's Progress.

 

I agree... John Bunyan the author of "Grace Abounding to The Chief of Sinners"... Wrote Pilgrim's Progress from the perspective of an Arminian view of Salvation?... Read Grace Abounding first then say that... Then rethink your thinking... What do you know I happen to have it in my portfolio... Brother Glen

http://www.chapellibrary.org/files/4813/7642/2821/bun-abounding.pdf

 

Thanks, Tyndale1946, for the link. I only skimmed it, but what I read I thought was spot on.

 

Nonsense, then who is the NEIGHBOR? The parable was to explain to that uppity "CHOSEN ELECT" pharisee lawyer who his neighbor was, who expects neighbor to be only those conformed to himself.


"Every Human is a rebel to God" Verse or it is a LIE. I want those exact words and not some ancient admonishment to Israel.



I'm giving you scripture of GOD GIVEN PROPHECY:

Malachi 1

9“But now will you not entreat God’s favor, that He may be gracious to us? With such an offering on your part, will He receive any of you kindly?” says the LORD of hosts. 10“Oh that there were one among you who would shut the gates, that you might not uselessly kindle fire on My altar! I am not pleased with you,” says the LORD of hosts, “nor will I accept an offering from you. 11“For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD of hosts.

If for a minute we Catholic believed we are repeating the sacrifice we would brag about it, but that is not what is happening.



GOD says there is a pure sacrifice to take place in all nations from sun up to sun down.

There is only one pure offering Jesus Christ. So explain how your going to do this?

You say we are not doing it, ok fine. Are you going to do this? NOPE.

Come on, give me the exegesis above. The minute you say anything pure offering is made elsewhere at anytime I'm slamming you with that stupid accusation of "repeating" the sacrifice.

God has declared it is going to happen is he a Liar?

 

@ utilyan...
Romans 3:10-18
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God in their eyes."

Yep. Every human is a rebel to God. The robber, the wretched bandit, the corrupt hater of God.

Indeed, there is only one sacrifice that atones for sin. Yeshua atoned for the sin of his children whom He adopted out of rebellion.

You still have not made your case for interpreting the Good Samaritan as you have done. Why do you make up such an interpretation? Does such a poor interpretation come from the church at Rome or is it your own failed attempt?

 

If the death of Jesus atoned for ALL sin, why do you need to add more sacramental Grace unto the Cross? that is an abomination to God!

 

Scripture proves you to be correct.

Romans 5:12English Standard Version (ESV)

Death in Adam, Life in Christ

12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—



Genesis 6:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.



Psalm 51:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
and in sin did my mother conceive me.



Psalm 58:3English Standard Version (ESV)

3 The wicked are estranged from the womb;
they go astray from birth, speaking lies.



Ecclesiastes 9:3English Standard Version (ESV)

3 This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that the same event happens to all. Also, the hearts of the children of man are full of evil, and madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead.



Jeremiah 17:9English Standard Version (ESV)

9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately sick;
who can understand it?



Romans 3:10-12English Standard Version (ESV)

10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”



Isaiah 53:6English Standard Version (ESV)

6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.



Proverbs 14:12English Standard Version (ESV)

12 There is a way that seems right to a man,
but its end is the way to death.

John 8:43English Standard Version (ESV)

43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.



John 6:44English Standard Version (ESV)

44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.



Romans 8:7English Standard Version (ESV)

7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.


God's election is also proved, by the Bible.

John 15:16: "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."

John 1:12,13: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Acts 13:48: "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."

Romans 9:15-16: "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."

Romans 9:22-24: "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"

Ephesians 1:4-5: "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

Ephesians 1:11: "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:"

Philippians 1:29: "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;"

1 Thessalonians 1:4-5: "Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake."

2 Thessalonians 2:13: "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"

2 Timothy 1:9: "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"

Ephesians 2:8-10 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God

John 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 6:44 - 4 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

1 Peter 1:2 - Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Faith, grace and repentance are gifts bestowed upon us.

God Bless

 

By god directly, and not thru any Sacraments of grace so called.

 

Huh?

 

I lie not. You do not know your Theology. Read Vatican 2, it even states if the "Pope believes that of a devil we shall follow him first".

Yeah you'll object, call names, but it does, just read it. The Church of Rome is no Church, it's a large Cult that has nothing in common with Holy Scripture.

Read Vatican 2 in full, then come back and we can talk with you slightly informed.

 

No Protestant can go to Mass. Not only do Church of Rome adherents rarely understand it, but most "Protestants" don't, you my friend clearly do.

Where Hebrews says "He has with ONE OFFERING perfected FOR ALL TIME those who believe", the Church of Rome still wants the control. The do not believe this, actually this is their process of salvation.

Baptism, by this sacrament they are made "Perfect", note not by Christ and His sacrifice, but by the SACRAMENT IN THE CHURCH, so if you're Baptist you lost. Now you go forward and do not SIN. If you sin, you need what they call "Merits", so if it's a venial sin they can maybe say a few Hail Mary's (By the way do you know where this heresy comes from? It's from a Variant in the Latin Vulgate, where it says in Luke "Mary full of MERIT"), so they pray to Mary and other Saints, why? The reason is that these Saints, say Ignatius, so evidently he did so many good things, say a human needs 100 merits to enter Heaven, well He gained say 1000, so surely he has extra that he can give to us, so they pray to saints in order to receive Merits. They receive merits through giving money to the Church, and many other acts.

The "Mass" is simply a repeat of the OT Sacrificial system. Once a year in the OT the High Priest would as you all know lay his hands on one, that is transferring the sins of the people so to speak onto the one, and the scapegoat would be let go, however THIS DID NOT REMOVE SIN, it was to make the people AWARE OF SIN, and elicit broken hearts. Well the Roman Church has brought Christ forth as a continually lamb to be slain, weekly.

Why do you think they believe the bread turns into a literal body, and the wine into literal blood. First Christ NEVER MEANT IT THAT WAY TO BEGIN WITH! When He said "Eat my body, drink my blood" etc. He was not talking about us being Zombies, He was using OT terms to refer to FAITH, anyone familiar with the OT would know this, we are to feed on the Lord, drink in His blood, focus, believe totally on what He did on the cross, this is the only way of salvation, "What WORK shall that Father have me do", "Here is the work of the Father, BELIEVE ON THE ONE HE SENT" with a period at the end. This WHORE called the Roman Church is nothing of Christendom, and if someone say "Mike chill out", I say "Read Vatican 2, you'll be SHOCKED at what they believe, will make you sick".

They believe each week Christ is CRUCIFIED AGAIN FOR THEM, this is why they can drink His blood, eat His body, He just died again. It is SO PAGAN, as I say no part of the Christian Church. There is a excellent movie out that traces the Roman Church from Constantine, who persecuted those like us who believed scripture's "Faith Alone", he was really the first Pope, and it grew from there, a sick lineage of men believing themselves and their teaching higher than God Himself. If the Protestant Church actually knew what Rome believed they would be shocked, and not fellowship with them.

 

Amen.

Short video on the value of giving money for salvation.



So according to Catholics money buys salvation.

God Bless

 

I was reaffirming your post on real salvation, as Grace comes to us by God directly, thru and by the Cross, and not thru any so called sacrament of the Church of rome!

 

From reading him for over a decade. Tell you what, why don't you actually READ HIM SO YOU CAN SEE YOURSELF. Tired of doing work for lazy people.

 

Oh please, Bunyon would have called you a heretic to your face! Bunyon was a rock ribbed Calvinist, do you not even know why he was in prison 12 years? I'll tell you, for preaching Reformed Theology, at the time it was outlawed in favor of your liberal Theology. People that believe what you believe wanted him jailed.

 

Is that scammer still around? Geez RW! Schamrock is a con man of old, right up there with Robert Tilton.

First "Revival" has nothing to do with salvation, Revival, IE "Reformed Revival", which is what's happening right now is a return to the true faith of our fathers, thought he word can be used in the sense of reviving someone, it's not used in reference to salvation, but a return to a belief.

Second, the Holy Spirit need not be sensed, scripture please? You can't for that's made up on TBN. Second the man of God does not have to be anointed, man can and is saved without any preaching whatsoever.

Here is the process of regeneration. One, the Father draws a person John 6:44, that is the Holy Spirit, through Christs life and death for that elect person, takes abode in their heart. It's also referred to in other terms, "I will take out their heart of stone,and put in a heart of flesh". Regeneration proceeds faith. "And ALL that were APPOINTED to eternal life...........(pause) believed. After we are filled with the Holy Spirit, whether we experience His presence or not, we now have the ability and desire to believe. This is what God's word teaches, anything else is man made heresy.

 

That's blasphemy, no Spirit filled man can say such a thing. You are unable to understand for the Spirit is not in you. Find others to blather to, you make no sense, you're embarrassing yourself, and I refuse to speak to willing blasphemers of Almighty God, this is no game.

 

Right, and if there are brothers who think "Well that was the past", read Vatican 2, trust me the Reformation is STILL ON! The Roman Church is fighting yet we've laid down our arms, let us hoist them in the word of the living God.