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Senators to AG Holder: "Who decided bomber was civilian?"

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by rbell, Jan 22, 2010.

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  1. Matt Black

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    Actually, the primary purpose for the international force (including British, for which we lose a young man virtually every other day) in Afghanistan is nation-building in opposition to the Taleban, which are an illegal Islamist insurgency against the Afghan government.
     
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    Obama doesn't share your opinion.



    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE52P7CO20090327


    Don't make his inconsistency yours.
     
  3. Matt Black

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    Regardless of what Obama thinks, the main reason is to defeat the Taleban. In any event, this was a crime committed on (or rather, over) American soil, not on Afghan or Pakistani territory.
     
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    What Obama thinks and how he has decided to handle the terrorists is the subject of this thread.

    Now that his inconsistency has been pointed out, his opinion suddenly doesn't matter?

    You havenow officially adopted the same double standard he has. The facts never did really matter to you, did they?
     
  5. Matt Black

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    Are you going to engage with what I've posted (the legal arguments etc) or must we continue our dialogue of the deaf?
     
  6. Revmitchell

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    What is it you think you know about American law or even our constitution?
     
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    A perfect description of FDR's policies!!
     
  8. Matt Black

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    Care to enlighten me on what you think I'm missing?
     
  9. Revmitchell

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    Answer the question
     
  10. Matt Black

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    Then you need to be more specific in your question; I could write essays otherwise.
     
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    Nice dodge.

    As hard as it is to answer question from someone who operates on a double stardard, your questions have been addressed.

    But you continue to ignore the facts. I can do nothing more than point out your inconsistencies and watch you run from them.
     
  12. Revmitchell

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    The context of this thread is what is relevant. but then you already knew that.
     
  13. Matt Black

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    Alright, here's your 'starter for ten':

    The Fourteenth Amendment:

    Note that the Amendment moves swiftly on from referring to US citizens to 'any person' and stresses the need for 'any person within its jurisdiction' the have the 'equal protection of the laws'. Thus the following principles are enunciated: due process is extended to all who are being deprived of liberty and/or within State jurisdiction, regardless of citizenship.

    This Amendment, of course, merely extended the well-established Fifth Amendment in the Bill of Rights to the individual states; I quote from it here largely because of the interesting mention of citizens and persons in the context of this thread. Lest anyone need reminding what the Fifth Amendment says:

    Note again: 'no person'. Not 'no citizen'. Flowing from this, there is also of course the Sixth Amendment in the BoR:
    I think your Constitution's pretty good and clear, don't you?

    [ETA - even the controversial PATRIOT Act accepts that terrorism is a criminal offence with criminal sanctions and due process therefore following (Title VIII of the Act)]
     
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    You should research the legal definition of "person."
     
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  15. Matt Black

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    I have - the exception envisaged by the Constitution was slaves, but see the Thirteenth Amendment there. Subsequent Supreme Court decisions have tended to extend rather than restrict the definition.
     
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    You've done a far better job of explaining this than I did when I tried. Good job!

    Just one small note- the part of the Fifth Amendment regarding indictment by a grand jury in capital or infamous crimes (interpreted by the SCOTUS as felonies), has not been incorporated against the states, but the rest has. For example, the Constitution of the State of Florida has differing rules, which are okay with the Supreme Court.

     
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    Is that it?
     
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    In what way is that not germane or sufficient to the case in hand?
     
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    I said neither of those I want to know is that the whole of your argument?
     
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    It's enough to be going on with. I'm running a business here so don't have time for more right now.
     
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