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Seventh-day Adventists - not a cult according to Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults"

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  1. BobRyan

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    Are you asking if the saints 'Keep the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
    Or are you asking if saints will be "taking God's name on vain all the way to the kingdom"???
    certainly a lost person cannot "earn" his way to heaven by "not taking God's name in vain"

    Satan takes upon himself his own added guilt for tempting the children of God - Satan has his own guilt for tempting lost souls that have chosen him as their leader - and added guilt for tempting and harrasing God's saints.

    got an appointment - will get to the rest later.
     
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    Yes according to Romans 8:13-16

    Many non-SDAs are saved according to SDA doctrine on that subject.

    Baptism is a symbol of facts that have already taken place
     
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    In your estimation, When we are living with Christ eternally, do you believe SDA's will attain some greater degree of glory vs. the "non-SDA's"?
     
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    I respected Dr Martin and His work for Jesus, but last time I checked, the source that decided if the Sda is a Cult or not would be the Bible alone, and in that case, it is a Cult!
     
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    ANY group or person that teaches another and false Gospel, who deny that only scriptures were inspired, who deny cardinal truths of the faith, as the Sda does, qualifies as being a cult!
     
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    1. false accusations as in the above are cheap and easy to make. I think we all knew that.
    2. No Bible text says that only scripture can be inspired or that all prophets write scripture as we already saw with Miriam, Aaron, Agabus, Nathan, Anna in the temple, Philip's 4 daughters and all those in 1 Cor 14 church of Corinth who when they meet "each one has a revelation" -- this has already been pointed out repeatedly.

    Details matter.
     
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    In your estimation, Am i out of Fellowship with the Father because i gather for corporate Worship on Sunday?
     
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    And he is now deceased - but in his book "Kingdom of the Cults" he places the Adventist denomination in the appendix because according to him - he did not consider this church to be a cult... and spends about a 100 pages on the topic totally destroying Hoekema's false accusations and shoddy work in the process... naming Hoekema specifically.

    details matter.
     
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    No.

    A saved person is not 'out of fellowship with the Father' no matter what denomination they are in.
     
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    ALL those that you mentioned were recorded down for us in the Inspired text itself, and there were and have been NO additional inspired books, teachings, sayings etc since time of John unto now!
    And someone can have been using the gift of prophecy in Acts, but NOT be operating as an Apostle/prophet, as those were reserved as offices in the Church, not spiritual gifts!
     
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    I'm talking in terms of "relationally" out of fellowship, Like...my relationship is not as close as it could be.
     
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    Problem is that the inspired scriptures themselves place the doctrines of the Sda within bounds of being a Cult!
     
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    1. false accusations as in the above are cheap and easy to make. I think we all knew that.
    2. No Bible text says that only scripture can be inspired or that all prophets write scripture as we already saw with Miriam, Aaron, Agabus, Nathan, Anna in the temple, Philip's 4 daughters and all those in 1 Cor 14 church of Corinth who when they meet "each one has a revelation" -- this has already been pointed out repeatedly.

    True. And no Bible text exists saying that only the prophets that existed at the time of so-and-so can ever exist in all of time.

    making stuff up- is not the same thing as having that as a Bible doctrine.

    Are you simply trying out your "creative writing skills again"???
     
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    Just not in real life.

    Which is why you keep posting factless accusations.
     
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    "out of fellowship" as in "in fellowship but having some misunderstanding??" -- seems like doublespeak

    Were the disciples "out of fellowship with Christ because they did not fully understand how that gentiles were welcomed into the gospel in your mind?" --- if so that is not a way of defining the term that I or any SDA I know of - has ever used it.

    You have free will of course and can go down that road if you wish.
     
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    ThatBrian already listed the false doctrines/beliefs that the Sda believes in though!
     
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    Did he? Do you know where he did that?
     
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    #11, see especially where the Sda agrees that she as same inspiration as the Apostles had!
     
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    That is a magazine article--is it official doctrine?
     
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