Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 (then neglected to heed its own warning)

That was exactly my point earlier. Of people who think that man can cause global warming, 97.1% of them say that man is. 66.4% of abstracts that addressed global warming did not take a position on AGW. So, in reality, we have 66.4% dissention.

Let me break it down this way. Let's say we surveyed papers on Donald Trump. 66.4% did not mention "Donald Trump is evil". Of the rest, 97% of those thought he was evil. It's not fair to say that 97% of scientists believe that Donald Trump is evil.

What they are doing is discounting everyone who wrote about global warming who had no reason to write that man was the cause. So, like I said earlier, they're saying "Of the scientists who think that man can cause global warming, 97% think we are." That's not scientific, it's not mathematic. It's pure manipulation by throwing out any dissention as outliers.

What we really have is 32.6% of people who discuss global warming think man is the cause. A far cry from the 97% touted by some. It's less than 1/3 rather than the almost 100% people say it is. Far from "settled science".

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Same fools who say "There is no God."?

 

None are reputable.

 

Well we’re all pretty stoked to see you no longer debate the issue. But you got some mighty this skin.

 

I simply said most scientists are fools. A man who does not believe in God is a fool. You can apply that as you see fit.

 

The current climate has made all news sources questionable. No confidential source should be considered reputable.

 

Greetings FollowTheWay:

Dont think I have ever had a conversation with you, and I hope you don't mind a Liberal chiming in on this topic.

Have you ever noticed that the proponents of global warming have an agenda associated with it? Pickens spent a lot of money to demonize oil (and to a lesser extent, coal), and touted natural gas. Did you know that Pickens has VAST natual gas holdings?

How about Al Gore? How fortuitous that Mr. Gore - our former Vice President and a vocal proponent of global warming - was a co-owner of a carbon exchange? Follow this link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryb...-on-anti-carbon-investment-hype/#4ac8320c32dc

Just for fun: pull out your copy of An Inconvenient Truth, and take note of his predictions. How many of them have materialized?

Perhaps I am getting cynical in my old age, but I really have a hard time with this. Don't get me wrong: I bought into "global warming," then "global climate change" when the narrative seemingly didn't correlate with the science. And now I feel as if I was duped.

Regards, hope all is well,
BiR

 

I am an environmentalist. I love nature and spend considerable time in it. I spend countless hours in the woods and on the lake. I personally do not think man is causing climate change. I do think we should be as clean as possible. I also understand that the entire world has to do it. As long as China, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, N. Korea, etc are burning coal in Un-scrubbed generators; nothing we do here is going to matter. If they burn cheap and dirty and we burn clean and expensive, the air will still be dirty and our economy will get screwed.

 

I remember it well - I still have the book (somewhere) - "The Weather Machine & the Threat of Ice"

Fascinating that he discusses the advancing ice & finally suggests that human activity using carbon fuels could offset the predicted cooling.

 

At one time I intended to hike the entire Appalachian Trail. "Life" got in the way. Its still kind of on the bucket list.

 

I remember it well - back in the 1970s - I read an article about a school doing experiments on the interaction of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) with ozone - back in the days when when everything was in aerosols form. They were agreeing with this article.

At a conference I asked the speaker from Shell about the reports that increase use of CFCs would destroy the ozone layer & harm the environment. The speaker rejected the idea - "If anyone knows about such dangers, it will be Shell."

When they were becoming concerned it was revealed that satellite data measurements of ozone had been rejected because they were too low but the data was retained & rechecked & established that the dangers were evident during the previous 10 years.

 

What have GM crops & pesticides done to our insect life - & bird life.

Not so long ago a drive in the country resulted in my car being smothered with dead insects;
the 'butterfly bush' in our garden used to be covered in butterflies & bees;
every housetop had its blackbird singing to ascertain nearby rivals, & I could echo their whistle & get a conversation going;
I can't remember when I last saw a sparrow in our garden;

Victory for Monsanto in its campaign to destroy nature & make us all dependent on chemicals.

 

I agree. I think we need to bring alternative energy sources into the grid as they become cost effective. Solar is now becoming cost effective, nut for the last 30 years it was simply a waste of money and resources.

 

I like my oil