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SHOCKER!!! FBI & ATF caught SECRETLY monitoring Gun Owners
- Thread starter Conan
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Yes. What you buy as a private citizen is your buisness. For them to spy on you they need a court order don't they! They do not ever have the right to know what you are legally buying. They are doing so to illegally make lists of what people own. The 1968 addition to the gun control act was made to trace firearms used in a crime. Specifically not as a registration of firearms. It was clear on that purpose. They are violating the law. Why dont they get a warrant? Because no one would give them one without just cause.
Please actually watch the video .
Please actually watch the video .
Where do we find this in the constitution, that the government cannot know what you purchase?
Is there anything in the constitution that says "the government cannot spy on its citizens?" Where does it say "no one has the legal right to know what you are legally buying?"
If you are a law abiding citizen you won't care what the government knows regarding your purchases. Nothing you are buying will be intended to overthrow the State.
So, why does this really bother you?
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Though there may be a few more in the running, that could very well be the most perversely ignorant political post thus far.
How so? Is there anything in the 2nd Amendment that says the government cannot know who owns guns or how many guns that person owns?
So, you have nothing in the 2nd Amendment or Constitution and you think I am ignorant.
Be honest, you have a strong opinion, based only in your opinion, not in law.
You need a warrant from a judge to do what they did. I wonder why they didn't get one. Because no Judge would give them one.
But, as an enemy of the United States Constitution, and everyone's freedom, you are intitled to your anti freedom opinion. Did you actually watch the video!
RighteousnessTemperance&
Well-Known Member
One would have to have a sufficient foundation in the history of the nation and its "we the people" government to understand an explanation. Honestly, your posts indicate no such foundation present.
The government needs a warrant to investigate a person and determine how many guns a person owns? No it doesn't. It does need a warrant if the government suspects criminal activity and needs to physically search a private property. If the property is not private, the government can come in and check.
What are you hiding that makes you so scared of the government?
How about the 4th Amendment?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]
Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]
Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
This is in effect if the property/house is owned by an individual. If a person is living/renting somewhere, the police need to get a warrant for the owner, not the renter. If it's a public place, such as a school, the police can be invited in by the school.
But, the government is free to track how many guns a person has purchased and determine if the guns have been purchased legally.
That is an untruth. You meant to say IN YOUR MIND it is ok to commit this crime. The 1968 gun control act was made so firearms would not be regestered but could be traced if it was used in a crime. In other words the forms were filled out but kept by the gunshop. Only if a crime has been commited do they trace the firearm. The goverment does not know what you buy even with the NICs check. They report long gun or pistol. That's the whole system. It was made specifically so there is no regestration what so ever. It is illegal for them to track what kind of guns you buy and how many. They only approve or deny the transaction. It has been that way always.
Perhaps you are unaware of the other handgun Acts that have come after 1968.
1986, 1993, 2008, and recently 2022.
Gun Control Act | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
It is illegal. The supreame court has told two administrations to dispose of the NiCs information they wanted to hold on to. They should only know if it a hand gun or long gun.
None of them allowing them to know or track what you buy.
I know. I'm saying I'm not surprised.
The military has units that exist to monitor social media. Our bank accounts are monitored. I would be surprised if our firearm purchases were not monitored and data collected, legal or not.
I think there might be a 4A case against such tracking, due to the "...secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects . . ." wording (emphasis mine). Of course, I earned my legal degree in forestry school, so that's only a guess.
So, Google can track everything, but not the government.