Should Saved Baptists Vote For Advocates of Baby Killing?

Whether abortion is akin to the commandment of killing is not obvious. It's a reasonable interpretation based on biblical implication, but it's not firm doctrine. As much as I don't favor abortion, I'm against making doctrine of interpretation. There's firm biblical support that life begins prior to birth. There's also firm biblical support that a fetus at six months is a "babe". No question about that. However, there's no firm biblical suppor to suggest that a child is a child at the point of conception. There are biblical implications, yes. But it's not a biblical absolute. Hence, we must leave it to interpretation. If a person's position is that the Bible clearly and firmly states that life begins at conception, that person is biblically incorrect.

 

It's the essence of simplicity.
The product of an abortion is a dead human being at the hand of another human being.

Thou shalt not kill.

HankD

 

One could say the same of miscarriage when due to the mother's disregard for prenatal care.

I'm not saing I disagree with you. I'm saying that the Bible is vague on the issue without broad interpretation.

 

Intent is a factor. A mother's disregard for prenatal care might be involuntary manslaughter worst case, stupidity at very least.

Abortions are a premeditated act of the will with the intent of ridding oneself of the life within often for the sake of convenience.

HankD

 

An addendum:

Abortion is a grave sin but it is forgivable through Christ.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Just take Him at His word.

HankD

 

I couldnt help but weigh in on this. Speaking from my own personal and very strong conviction, I would have to say that yes it is wrong to vote for a person who you know supports abortion.
I have been a part of this debate with baptists who would vote for Adolf Hitler if he ran on the democratic ballot, because they believe that their pocketbooks would be fatter with a democrat in office. (by the way I am not a Republican,but an independent, so dont get the idea that I'm advertising for the republican's).
Is there really any of you who doubt that abortion is murder? I certainly hope not.
Isaiah,5:20 says "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;"
If we as believers put our stamp of approval on someone by voting for them, when we know good and well that they openly support such things as abortion, are we not in effect saying that we believe what they stand for is good, therefore calling evil ,good?
Yes I know ,neither party has done as much as they should to put a stop to this American holocaust, so how do we judge? We can only make a judgement based upon what a candidate admits to endorsing and openly stands for.
I had an opportunity to visit with a senate candidate last week about this. I told him that no matter what economic things he promised to do, if he supported abortion, homosexual marriage, and the like, that as a Christian , I could not with good conscience vote for him.
I believe that the debate on whether or not abortion is wrong, has its place only among the lost, we as believers should know better.
Time to stop voting straight party line regardless of the garbage that the cadidate stands for, and let them know that we as Christians do care about things like abortion, and yes morality does matter, and if they want our vote they better get it together.
It really is a matter of compromise.

 

While I'm as a rule against abortion, the Bible is somewhat silent on the issue. As I stated earlier, the Bible does refer a 6 month term fetus as a babe, but say that the Bible is against abortion from conception on is simply not the case. That view can be derived only by broad interpretation. It's sad that well meaning Christians aren't studying their own bibles enough to know this, and prefer to simply follow the bible-belt bandwagon.

The problem is that, for Christians to even discuss this issue is seen by many Christians as taboo. Christians should not be fearful of discussing biblical topics. No, we should not simply accept any biblical stance just because we're told to. We should openly and honestly discuss and debate these issues, without fear of being branded "lost" "liberal" "unchristian" "nazi" "fundamentalist" or anything else. How is one supposed to grow in the Spirit and the Word if one is in a community of fear?

 

Rbrent, that fits what I said earlier, about the Bible being against abortion based on biblical interpretation. That does not, however, make abortion wrong as a matter of doctrine. You and I are not in disagreement on verses such as these.

 

Should saved Baptists vote for advocates who wish to give less financial support to the "least of these?" (I'm thinking about those who are poor, hungry, naked, and in prison, of course.)


What makes one worse than the other in God's eyes?

 

Classic JohnV at his best.
What Bible do you read again?

1. No
2. No

Life is in the blood!!!

 

Yes, I admit. I adamantly refuse to add to the Bible. This is a classic stand for me. Be it on abortion, issues of dress, women preachers, or version-onlyism. If it makes me unpopular with the mainstream Christians, then so be it.

 

It is written in Ex 21:22-23-IF MEN STRIVE, AND HURT A WOMAN WITH CHILD, SO THAT HER FRUIT DEPART FROM HER, AND YET NO MISCHIEF FOLLOW: HE SHALL BE SURELY PUNISHED, ACCORDING AS THE WOMAN'S HUSBAND WILL LAY UPON HIM; AND HE SHALL PAY AS THE JUDGES DETERMINE. AND IF ANY MISCHIEF FOLLOW, THEN THOU SHALT GIVE LIFE FOR LIFE. God calls the fruit of the womb LIFE.

It is written in Isa 49:1-LISTEN, O ISLES, UNTO ME; AND HEARKEN, YE PEOPLE, FROM FAR; THE LORD HATH CALLED ME FROM THE WOMB; FROM THE BOWELS OF MY MOTHER HATH HE MADE MENTION OF MY NAME. God knew Isaiah before he was ever born. He knew his name. God forbid, what if someone had tried to abort the prophet Isaiah?

 

[While I'm as a rule against abortion, the Bible is somewhat silent on the issue. As I stated earlier, the Bible does refer a 6 month term fetus as a babe, but say that the Bible is against abortion from conception on is simply not the case. That view can be derived only by broad interpretation. It's sad that well meaning Christians aren't studying their own bibles enough to know this, and prefer to simply follow the bible-belt bandwagon.

Bible belt bandwagon? Do pray tell what you mean by this. If being against infanticide is to ride a "bible belt band wagon", I believe that I'll stay on the wagon. How can we as a country condemn nazi Germany for the countless murders that they comitted, while we turn our cheek and ignore the millions that have been killed and continue to be killed every day? Is it because they are to small to speak in their own defense?



The problem is that, for Christians to even discuss this issue is seen by many Christians as taboo.

On the contrary, Christians should discuss it a lot more, and let our elected officials know that we are against such things as this. Whats next euthenasia?


Christians should not be fearful of discussing biblical topics. No, we should not simply accept any biblical stance just because we're told to. We should openly and honestly discuss and debate these issues, without fear of being branded "lost" "liberal" "unchristian" "nazi" "fundamentalist" or anything else.

Your right, we should not accept things just because someone said to, but come on, this is just common sense. And I am not a person to label another as lost. A person can be wrong and stlii be a Christian ( a confused one ,but still saved).

How is one supposed to grow in the Spirit and the Word if one is in a community of fear? [/QB][/QUOTE]


Do you really believe that a person advocating abortion is really letting the Holy Spirit lead them?
Check out www.priestsforlife.com I'm not Catholic, but we could use a few more Baptists making this kind of stand.

 

Vey good my friend, and lets not forget the prophet Jeremiah;
Jeremiah ,1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."

 

Vey good my friend, and lets not forget the prophet Jeremiah;
Jeremiah ,1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations."

 

Post-Delivery Abortion.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36789

HankD

 

Post-Delivery Abortion.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36789

HankD </font>[/QUOTE]Wouldnt surprise me in the least Hank. Abortion, euthenasia (which is legal in some countries),These things when endorsed by our leaders, and taught as acceptable to our children, make life of little value. And then we act surprised when children kill. What should we really expect?
Let us leave the endorsement of such things with the heathen and not try to incorporate them into the church.

 

No evil is "necessary"...that is ridiculous no matter who said it. Jefferson cut all miracle and other supernatural things out of the New Testament and it's called the Jefferson Bible. Slavery was never "necessary" any more than pre-child labor laws time when 8 year olds slaved in dangerous coal mines, etc. But I question this: Christians against abortion, but what about the children who *are* alive? Christian parents have children who are almost exactly like secular children: violent video games, Harry Potter, pre-marital sex, alcohol, violent music, think Jesus sinned, etc. Check Barna's studies for proof. It is hypocritical to condemn abortion, then raise kids with sinful behaviors and ungodly world views. This is absurd. I don't fall for it.