Should US troops respect and obey Obama?

[poncho]

Which leads to another question that might make for another interesting thread, MP. Would conservatives who oppose the current president like to see a coup d'etat in the United States and have the military take over?

Which leads to another question that might make for another interesting thread. If the current president was deposed by the military which CFR, Tri Lateral, Bilderberg lackey would the military install as dictator in chief to take his place?

I think the ranking military officers of the United States are smart enough to know that sacking the president, this current one or any other would still leave the same people in charge. I doubt very much one can reach the top commanding positions in the military without knowing who really runs the show.

 

[FlyForFun]

You are not only incorrect you are arrogantly incorrect. There is nothing that states we must respect the president or any other superior officer. We must obey lawful orders and cannot show disrespect else we are subject to disciplinary action.

You're intentionally picking a fight.

So let me get this straight -- you "disrespect" the President but lawfully can't show that disrespect.

So how is that "disrespect?"

 

[FlyForFun]

Which leads to another question that might make for another interesting thread. If the current president was deposed by the military which CFR, Tri Lateral, Bilderberg lackey would the military install as dictator in chief to take his place?

I think the ranking military officers of the United States are smart enough to know that sacking the president, this current one or any other would still leave the same people in charge. I doubt very much one can reach the top commanding positions in the military without knowing who really runs the show.

Haven't spent much time in the Armed Forces, have you?

The higher echelons of every service Branch are peopled by senior Officers who learned how to play the political game (save perhaps the Marine Corps Commandant).

It's not a system that breeds treason.

Couple that with the legendary independence of the American Soldier, sailor, airman, and Marine, and any general wanting to stage a coup would be going it alone.

 

[abcgrad94]

I say again....

You are required to express concerns with orders when there is opportunity for discussion. Once the command is given, you move out smartly or fall on your sword (if you think it is an "unlawful order." If you are wrong, you pay the price. If you are right, there is still a price).

Thank you, this helps me understand a bit better.

 

[Tom Bryant]

I am just going to pass on my opinion. You all are talking about a coup like it is a good thing. It is not. It would be wrong. It would be against what the Scripture says about a believers relationship with his gov't and that we battle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Here endeth my rant.

 

[FlyForFun]

I am just going to pass on my opinion. You all are talking about a coup like it is a good thing. It is not. It would be wrong. It would be against what the Scripture says about a believers relationship with his gov't and that we battle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Agreed. All this talk about treasonous behavior, disrespect, and coups is wrong.

We live in a Republic -- the majority elects the representatives. It's imperfect and its a system based on compromise (read The Federalist Papers).

 

[abcgrad94]

I am just going to pass on my opinion. You all are talking about a coup like it is a good thing. It is not. It would be wrong. It would be against what the Scripture says about a believers relationship with his gov't and that we battle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Here endeth my rant.

I wasn't talking about a coup, Tom. My thoughts are more towards the individual soldier who is ordered to use force against his own countrymen. Some of our military have already signed a pledge NOT to do so, if commanded to.

I have read on other sites where some Americans are concerned that Obama will try to take away our guns, by force if necessary, (which goes against our right to bear arms.) I do not know if this is just tin foil hat agenda, or if it really will happen, but for some it seems to be a true fear. My questions came from this slant. I do not think our troops should follow orders that go against the constitution, BUT as you said, anarchy is not the answer either.

 

[Johnv]

Regardless of who the POTUS is, it's not the job of troops to interpret the Constitution.

 

[FlyForFun]

I wasn't talking about a coup, Tom. My thoughts are more towards the individual soldier who is ordered to use force against his own countrymen. Some of our military have already signed a pledge NOT to do so, if commanded to.

I have read on other sites where some Americans are concerned that Obama will try to take away our guns, by force if necessary, (which goes against our right to bear arms.) I do not know if this is just tin foil hat agenda, or if it really will happen, but for some it seems to be a true fear. My questions came from this slant. I do not think our troops should follow orders that go against the constitution, BUT as you said, anarchy is not the answer either.

First the principle of Posse Comitatus has been bent a bit recently (US Soldiers patrolling US airports after 9-11 -- not good. See an excellent article on the erosion of this principle here).

Second, the tin foil types are almost hoping the BATF knocks on their doors so they can die a hero's death in a blaze of glory.

It won't happen that way. instead, anti-gun types will press for more damaging liability legislation, will require certain "safeguards," and make ammunition sales more difficult.

They won't "take your guns."

They'll just make it financially impossible to keep them.

 

[OldRegular]

So let me get this straight -- you "disrespect" the President but lawfully can't show that disrespect.

Did not know we had another mind reader on this Forum. Nowhere on this thread have I said I do not respect Obama. In fact I do not. Furthermore, since I am not in the military and he is not yet a dictator I do not have to show respect for him, I can show disrespect.

My remarks to date have been only for those in the military. I believe that was the question raised in the OP.

 

[FlyForFun]

Did not know we had another mind reader on this Forum. Nowhere on this thread have I said I do not respect Obama. In fact I do not. Furthermore, since I am not in the military and he is not yet a dictator I do not have to show respect for him, I can show disrespect.

My remarks to date have been only for those in the military. I believe that was the question raised in the OP.

You called me "arrogantly incorrect" when you clearly did not read or understand my post, since you simply restated what I said -- all uniformed members of the Armed services must render respect to the President and all superior officers.

Even if you "disrespect" same in your heart, you keep it to yourself.

 

[OldRegular]

You called me "arrogantly incorrect"

The reason I called you arrogantly incorrect was your statement: "Period, end of story." dismissing any further discourse.

 

[FlyForFun]

The reason I called you arrogantly incorrect was your statement: "Period, end of story." dismissing any further discourse.

Because that's the way it is, unless it changed somehow since I retired after 21 years.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Tom Bryant]

Our troops are to uphold the constitution. If the POTUS does not do this, should he still be commander in chief? Should our troops show him respect when he does not deserve to be president?

I was not aiming my comment at you in the least. I am sorry if I intimated that, that wasn't what I intended at all.

 

[abcgrad94]

I was not aiming my comment at you in the least. I am sorry if I intimated that, that wasn't what I intended at all.

No, not at all. I just wanted to clarify that I'm not advocating a coup, in case those reading the thread thought that.:thumbsup:

Sometimes I am not clear in putting my whole thoughts into a post and I have to remember that people cannot read my mind.