Sin into Death

Probably a "fullness" of life in Christ.

Bbob,

 

Yea, thats what I said all along, but DHK will not agree with that.

BBob,

 

That's a bold statement. How do you know?

 

"If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death".(1Jo 5:16-17)
A sin unto death is a physical sin committed by a Christian. The context says it is. James uses the word "brother," meaning Christian. We have no other choice but to believe that this is speaking of Christians.

The sin is physical.
Two examples: 1. Ananias and Sapphira were killed on the spot for their lie and their hypocrisy. Yes, I believer they were saved.
2. The believers in Corinth (1Cor.11:30)--some of them were killed by God for abusing the Lord's Table
--In both cases they died as a result of the judgement of God of bringing shame or reproach on the name of Christ. God judges sin. There is a consequence for sin; if not in this life, then in the life to come. We cannot determine what the judgment is, and it is not for us to outguess God. That is just plain wrong.

If a believer goes on in his rebellion against God, he surely will bring the judgment of God upon himself, whether in severe chastisement or possibly a premature death. Often I have heard Godly men pray: "Lord, if this man does not repent, I pray that you would take him out of this world, that further damage to your name is not done." He is praying that the sin of death might be carried out, that God's judgement would fall upon this man because there is no sign of repentance. Yes, Bob, there are such believers.

If such a believer does repent, then we have saved that person, not spiritually, but physically, from a pre-mature death. And that sin that he was living in shall be forgiven him for he will have repented of it or else he would have reaped the wrath of God. One cannot have it both ways.

 

Some punishment..............

Phl 1:23For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:


BBob,

 

According to your logic, suicide and assisted should be OK in your books for it is better to be with the Lord. The Lord killed those in 1Cor.11:30. And accordingly it was punishment. They feared afterward. You can either believe the Bible or not. The same was true of Ananias and Sapphira. There was fear all around.
It was a punishment Bob. Your argument makes no sense. If it is better to be with the Lord in your thinking then just commit suicide and get it over with. Is this your logic.

 

Bad comparison. Suicide is murder, don't think that will work.

You do not believe to be with the Lord is better???

Rev 14:13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

 

You ignore context completely. Paul knew that he would be facing matyrdom, execution by the Roman government. He didn't have much of a choice. His preference was to live and be with them. He was giving them comfort. If he should die he would be going to a much better place. Paul would in no way be committing any crimes. And in no way would he be facing a judgment of God. He was ready to meet the Lord.

Others that would be judged by death would be meeting God as judge and it would be a fearful meeting with God as judge. They, in their sin of shaming Christ would not be ready to meet the Lord as their judge. Will you?

 

That is not true, Paul had a desire to die and be with Christ, but he chose for the sake of his brothers that it was best that he stay with them a while longer.

Read the scripture and quit making it up.

Phl 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Phl 1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh [is] more needful for you.

Phl 1:25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith;

BBob,

 

The sin unto death is for believers - being taken out of this world.

Yes it is better to be with the Lord, but I can tell you right now that I do not want to die as a judgment from God! I would prefer to die while living life according to His will, not violating it.

 

Why? you do not believe your sins are counted against you, that they were all paid at the cross. You also believe you will be better off when you die, so Why???

BBob,

 

Let's look at the verse in another translation (WEB) where it might put things a bit more simple:

1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life for those who sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death. I don't say that he should make a request concerning this.

First, we all need prayer.
Second, only God knows those who are going to be judged. Like I said before: You can't outguess God.
Concerning the first part of the verse: Pray for an erring brother that he does repent, and avoids the judgement of God.
Concerning the second part of the verse: Sometimes it is wiser to pray that God would take the person out of the world if he is determined to go on in his sin.
The purpose is two fold:
1. That the shame he brings on the name of Christ will be stopped.
2. That the judgement of God that He will face in the future will be lessened.

 

And he that is taken will be "far better" being with Christ. No punishment whatsoever.

BBob,

 

I did over and over, but again, its saying how impossible it is to overtake a brother committing such a sin, because there will be not more sacrifice made for him. There are other scripture that say the same.

Hope that helps, but doubt it.

BBob,