Sin into Death

Bob thinks that somehow it is better to face the Lord in judgement (and be with the Lord that way), than to be with the Lord, ready to meet him and be crowned with rewards. I wonder how Ananias and Sapphira faced Jesus Christ?

 

Same thing you posted, and when you put it in writing its there for life.

Post #3

 

Steaver believes same as I do. Post #3

So, you believe he lost his salvation, or never had it one, if he is going to face the Lord in judgement.

 

Romans 14:12 So then each one of us will give account of himself to God.

1 Corinthians 3:13 each man's work will be revealed. For the Day will declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself will test what sort of work each man's work is.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
First, I take the Bible literally and don't make excuses for its terminology. If the Bible uses the word "brother," it uses it for a reason. It doesn't mean false brother, pretend brother or any other lie. It means brother or Christian. The Holy Spirit doesn't lie.

Second, I don't believe that a brother or a believer can lose his salvation.

Third, as per the above Scripture, I believe that we will all give account of ourselves. We will all face Christ as our judge someday. The Bible says that God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. That presupposes that there are tears to wipe away. Where do you think those tears will come from?

 

Yes, we will either have all sins wiped away, or still in our sin. There will be no "Why did you do this or not do that" for the names will already be enrolled in the Book of life.

You either believe in an Omniscience God or you do not.

BBob,

 

Even believers will give an account to God.
For their words:

And more:

Yes, our sins are paid for but would you rather die doing something against God and get taken out for that reason than die while doing something that glorifies God? You keep ignoring the believers in Corinthians who were taken home by God beause of their abuse of the Lord's Supper.

 

So you believe we are going to be judged by Christ and you know the result already?
It seems as a contradiction. If a judgment is for real then a result should be unknown upfront. Don't you think?

 

I don't know why people die.
God does. It is a fact that some people die by the hand of God in judgment for sin. We see that in Acts 5:1-10 in the lives of Ananias and Sapphira, and we also see it in the Corinthian believers in 1Cor.11:30.

We hear statements from preachers (many of them unwise statements) that God has judged America (and other nations) with early deaths because of sexual immorality and has sent a plague called AIDS. I am not ready to proclaim it a direct judgment of God and call the result as "sins of death," as defined by the Bible, but there are some that would.

Only God knows what the "sin of death" is. We don't.
It is God that judges by death. Not we.

 

I wouldn't, I would like for people to understand this scripture first time round so that they are blessed by it, instead of being unsure of their salvation.

Since scripture is is explained by other scripture, this is what the above scripture means:

I Corinthians 5:1-5 - It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

It is clear that Paul is talking to Christians here because he mentions the words "as absent in the body, but present in the spirit, have judged already, as though I were present..." Clearly Paul is telling them their spirits would be saved, but the death they suffer is a physical death here on earth.

Ananias and Saphhira had also committed the sin unto death - which is not to be confused with the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

 

There is a thing called the "second death" that our sins bring upon us, that we need Christ to overcome. You can't over come the natural death, but if you have the Spirit of Christ in you, it will in the resurrection "quicken" your mortal body.

 

Physical life not eternal life. The whole context revolves around physical life and physical death. It is speaking of an erring brother who already has salvation.

 

Not all of it is debatable. But we can try to come to the best possible understanding. Let's begin by looking at the context.

1 John 5:14-15 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John had been teaching on prayer. A principle he sets forth is that God answers prayer according to his will. The question arises: But how do we know his will. I believe that John proceeds to give an example of this in the next couple of verses:

1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Here is an example of how you can pray in the will of God.
When you see your brother (a Christian) sin, go to him, counsel him, pray for him. After repenting he will continue on to live and walk in fellowship with God. John is slowly introducing a subject of a "sin unto death," about which is some controversy.
There is nothing wrong in saying that we don't know exactly what that sin was back then. The most important principle is to pray according to the will of God.

However here are two possibilities of a sin unto death:
1. Could it be murder. Murder carries (or should carry) the penalty of capital punishment. It did in Christ's day. There is no sense in praying for a person whose just outcome is death. It is not going to change.

2. It could refer to apostasy. John has been referring to this much in his epistle. He has directed much of which he has written against "false teachers." Many of the false teachers were gnostics. If you take the NT as a whole, you find that almost every book of the NT speaks against false teachers. John in particular has some very harsh things to say about them. In II John 9-11, he commands such not to be invited into one's household, and not even to say good-by to them (which means "God-be-with-you"). They are false teachers, and many of them may even be demon-possessed. Thus John says in 1John 4:1-4 to test the spirits to see whether they of God or not. They are not always of God, but may be of satan.

Jesus said: Don't cast your pearls before swine.
Spend your time, both in witnessing and in prayer for those that are "redeemable" not those that are like the Pharisees who crucifed the Lord out of a demonized craze that would never come to know Christ. We know that there are some religious cult leaders that no matter what one does they are not going to convert. Some J.W. leaders are like that. Why waste your time arguing with them.
I do not say that he should pray for it.