Slandering God

Hi tinytim

Once again, please allow me to jump into your discussion with Salamander.

You said.......

This is an interesting statement.
I’m glad you said the words, “in 100% agreement” instead of “identical”.

Because although the 5000 copies of the TR, may not be identical, they are “in 100% agreement”.
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Now I am aware, that I can’t actually prove this to you.
Because I don’t posses these 5000 manuscripts (neither do you), nor am I able to read and compare them.

What each of us are stuck with, is “accepting what others tell us about the TR”.
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I have been told, that the 5000 scrolls, that make up the TR, are in 100% agreement, this is why they are also called “the majority text”.

Now when I first got a computer, and got on-line, I looked up “the majority text”, and found out, that there is a difference of opinion, about there agreement.

I immediately chalked this up, to Satan’s attack upon the Bible.
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As you can see, any attack upon the fact that God has preserved His Word for us in our language, I will see as a “Satanic attack”.

The reason that I can do this with confidence, is because the Bible itself, is filled with accounts of where Satan attack God’s Word, by casting doubt upon it.

Therefore, this is what I am expecting him to do today.


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And let me take this opportunity to apologize to Salamander.

In my previous response, I rebuked you for your tone, but it looks like you and tinytim, are getting along just fine.

Please forgive me, for sticking my nose in your business.

 

Hi everyone

It is 12:09am, and I still have a lot to do, before I can go to bed.

So I will continue responding at the top of page 3, sometime tomorrow.
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Please understand, that although I am dogmatic about he Bible, I am “stilllearning”.

So thank you for your patience with me.


See you later.

 

Hi franklinmonroe

Nice to hear from you.

You asked......

Because if it’s not perfect, than that means that some parts of it aren’t right.
(Therefore, it is left up to us, to decide which parts to accept and which parts to reject.)

The Bible declares itself to be perfect, therefore it is perfect.
(And for me, the Bible is the KJV)
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You also said.......

The early Church did have the New Testament.
(They had the original epistles!)

 

Hi EdSutton

First of all, why do threads about the KJV, have to be doomed?
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Your first question......

When you talk about "ex-cathedra", I suppose your talking about that Catholic thing of the pope claiming infallibility, when he speaks.

Yes, I believe the Bible to be infallible, therefore I quote it often.
As for the difference between the 1611 & the 1769, I don’t make a big deal out of it.

For me, correcting spelling errors and isn’t a problem.
(But removing whole words and verses, is.)
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Your second question.......

I am not sure what KJVA, or KJVET are, but I think I understand your question.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but for me this is an important issue, because it concerns God’s Word.

If someone wanted to rewrite Shakespeare; Modernizing it, with updated ideas trying to make it more politically correct, it wouldn’t bother me a bit.
(Although it would make some people mad

But don’t mess with God’s Word.
Who are we to think, that we can improve something, that has been bringing people to Christ by the millions, for over 300 years.
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Your third question.......

This is a GREAT question, that hits at the heart of the issue.

The reason we don’t need to be messing with the Bible at this time, is because of the state of the “Church”.

Have you looked out your window lately.
Today “most” professing Christian Scholars, reject the Deity of Christ(among other things). I don’t care how many letters are behind somebodies name, if they aren’t saved, they have no business, “correcting” our Bible.

 

Hi Gold Dragon

You said.......

Not really.
The reason the statement “That God preserved His Word in multiple translations”, doesn’t make any sense, is because each translation is different.

When it comes to subject of trusting the Bible, you can’t have multiple versions of it, and say that “all of them are correct”, because they don’t perfectly agree with each other.

But this post was started because someone said, that “none of the versions were correct”, and this statement, is casting doubt on God’s Word(to say the least!)
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You also responded to my question.......

I asked.......

And you said....

Well then, which one of us, gets to speak for God, and declare which parts of the Bible are right and which parts are wrong.

This is what makes thread, “the most important thread” on this forum right now;
Because God gave us His Word, so that we wouldn’t have to trust “some man’s opinion”, about what “God is saying”!

God Word, is the last word!

 

Hello again EdSutton

Your opinion of those men who were used, to produce the KJV, is interesting.

But I submit, that none of us can accurately know, about the Character of those men, because of revisionist history.
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For example, right now my opinion of President George Bush, is that he has been one of the finest presidents that this nation has ever seen.

I believe if a Democrat had been in his office on 9-11, we would still be under martial law today.
But our President, brought us back from that disaster, with a steady hand. And in the face of unbelievable criticism, he continues to confidently lead our nation today.
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Now I guarantee you, that across the globe, some people have hit the roof, because they have an exact opposite opinion of our President.
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Now he is in office today; Yet opinions about him don’t agree.

I am sure, that these men, who gave us the KJV, weren’t perfect, but who of us are.


Oh, and just because I am a Baptist, doesn’t mean that I can only trust Baptists.
(Jimmy Carter, was a Baptist, and look what he did!)

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Please, I beg you, DO NOT DERAIL THIS THREAD!

Just because I brought up George Bush, doesn’t mean that we have to start talking about politics.

 

Hi C4K

You responded to my statement........

I said.......

And you asked........

This is a great question.

The fact is, those that preceded it, had also been preserved,

To my understanding, the KJV, was made up of all the great Bible’s that preceded it, including “Wycliffe”, “Gutenberg”, “Tyndale” etc.

(Which means, that I am not truly a KJVO person, because I would accept almost any of the Bible’s that preceded it.)
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As for those Bible’s that followed it, this is a different story.

With BB Warfield’s declaration, that the copies of the original Scriptures were no longer to be considered inspired(when for hundreds of years they had been), this opened the door for Wescott & Hort, and their concoction.

Bible translation’s stopped being “God’s preserved Word” when unbelievers started producing them.

 

Hi robycop3

You said.......

Absolutely correct.

I learned this years and years ago.
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This thread, is only talking about, Bible’s written in English!