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Speaking in Tongues a Cessationists’ View

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by 1689Dave, Jul 30, 2018.

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    According to scripture, God enabled believers to speak to him in a heavenly language. A language unknown except by him and those to whom he gave a gift for interpreting it (1 Corinthians 14:27–28).

    Many think the Apostles spoke supernaturally in human languages at Pentecost. And people from different nations naturally understood what they said in their own tongue. But Paul says when a person speaks in tongues, they speak to God and not to men (1 Corinthians 14:2). So on Pentecost, the Apostles spoke to God in a heavenly tongue and devout Jews from every nation overheard them in their own native tongue. So they must have received the gift of interpreting too.

    God delivered the gift of tongues personally in the baptism of the Holy Spirit during the Jewish outpouring and about seven years later in the gentile outpouring at Cornelius’ house. But all other times he delivered the gift of tongues through the Apostles’ hands (Acts 8:18). Scripture does not mention any other means of distribution apart from these.

    God placed tongues and interpretation into groups of converts in various regions through the Apostles. So each church would have God’s word spoken personally to them by individual members who received the gift. We see the laying on of hands in Jerusalem (Acts 6:6), Ephesus (Acts 19:1–7), and Samaria (Acts 8:14–17) and throughout Paul’s journeys where he gave the gifts (2 Timothy 1:6; Romans 1:11). God sent Ananias, who according to history was one of the original seventy disciples ordained by Christ, through whose hands Paul became healed and filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17).

    They spoke God’s word through tongues and interpretation and through prophecy. With this they passed around the Apostle’s writings that would become the New Testament scriptures. Paul said tongues would stop when a better way, one that is perfect comes (1 Corinthians 13:8–10.)

    Many think perfection happens in the new heavens and earth. But Paul qualifies this by saying whenever it comes, faith, hope and love would remain (1 Corinthians 13:13). Faith, hope and love fits well into this present world where we need all the faith, hope and love we can get. But in the world to come we’ll have all we ever hoped for and believed in. So Paul inferred tongues would stop sometime before Christ’s return on the last day, when hope and faith find fulfillment in the new world.

    Paul urged believers to come behind in no gift until the coming (apocalypse or Revelation) of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 1:7). This is the same word John uses for the apocalypse of Jesus Christ. What we call the book of Revelation.

    So this is likely what Paul saw through a glass darkly. A revelation he knew was coming but didn’t know how or when. Paul urged them to continue seeking spiritual gifts until Christ provided a revelation. We know a revelation came through John about the time speaking in tongues disappears from history.

    Many gifts continue today as permanent endowments to the Church. We have miracles and healings through the prayer of faith (James 5:15). Also pastors, evangelists and teachers with the Apostles and Prophets cast in their writings (Ephesians 4:11). But God removed the apostolic signs and wonders with the death of the last Apostle. And he gave us a more sure word of prophecy than tongues and prophecy could provide (2 Peter 1:17–20).

    God withdrew the Apostles, honoring them in the Book of Revelation. He wrote their names in the foundations of heavenly Jerusalem with the names of the twelve sons of Israel. This brought to a close the apostolic age and the gifts that flowed through their hands.
     
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    The miracle of Tongues on Pentacost was that they were actual languages, and ech person heard their own native language being giving forth in the message!
     
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    This is what most think but it isn't true. Paul says when a person speaks in tongues, they speak to God and not to men (1 Corinthians 14:2). So the Apostles spoke a heavenly tongue and the devout Jews also received the gift of interpretation during the outpouring.
     
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    Corinthians was given for the time when the gifts functioned as they did in Acts, but that was a definite transistion period!
     
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    What you are missing is that there are most obviously at least two gifts of tongues, most likely 3. . You can't put what was happening in Acts 2 in the same box with I Cor (especially ch 14). Nothing about the two even remotely align with each other.
    In my opinion, You actually have 3 gifts.
    1. Acts 2, the known tongue.
    2. Tongues in Church with interpretation which equals prophecy.
    3. Speaking to God and not to man, the prayer language.
     
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    I think I need to be more clear about the gifts distributed through the Apostles' hands. Tongues (interpretation), Prophecy and Word of Knowledge. We still have ministry gifts placed by God directly in the Church.
     
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    I tend to look at Acts 2:42-42 & Acts 4:32-33 where in both texts, the ordinary believers are separated from the Apostles. It is the Apostles who do the miraculous stuff (c.f. 2 Corinthians 12:12).I expect it was the same with 'tongues.'

    I recommend that anyone tempted to believe that 'tongues' are for today to read The Life of Edward Irving by Arnold Dallimore. Irving was a sort of forerunner of the charismatic movement, and under his influence a young woman called Mary Campbell (later Caird) spoke in 'tongues' in March 1830. At first she thought they were the language of the South Pacific Pellew Islands of which she had been reading, but later became convinced that they were also European languages. However, when she and her husband went to Europe as missionaries they found that she could not speak any of the languages they thought she could and they had to return.

    To say that things ended badly for Irving would be an understatement. It is a very sad story.
     
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    Would say that the tongues were in both 1/2 real languages, uknown to the speaker, and the Holy Spirit allowed others to hear them in their native tongue!They would be messages to confirm/exhort/encourage, but not to give forth ANY additional doctrines.
    Option 3 not a viable option.
    The real problem is when tongues get tied into them as part of a Second Axct of grace, evidence of a "baptism" in Holy Spirit, sign of salvation etc!
     
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