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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Aaron, Jan 26, 2019.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    God was angry at the Sin that Jesus became for our sake, so the Father did "see" while taking our sins upon that Cross Jesus as being sin for us, for our behalf, yet all the while always staying the sinless Son of God!
     
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    He feared facing for those 3 hours the same eternal separation that all of the lost will from presence and person of God for all eternity!
     
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    Jesus was forsaken by God, as He who knew no sin became sin for our behalf, and He tasted the very Hell all of the lost will in their final judgment!
     
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    THAT is what He was trying to avoid if possible while in the garden!
     
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    Adam and Eve experience 'some change" in their spiritual state before God due to the fall, as they now knew were in sin, and needed God to do something to atone for them!
     
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    Jon C has another thread here about Gnostic Christianity, would not one denying the simple truth of jesus meaning was forsaken fall under that hidden knowledge, seeing something else?
     
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    Adam and Eve did not know that (Genesis 3:8).
     
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    While there are indeed various theories on the Atonement, the one that is the most biblically consistent would be the Pst one...
     
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    Adam was created by God with spiritual life already contained with him, as a morally uncorrupted and sinless being though!
     
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    Yet Adam disobeyed.
     
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    They now knew good and evil, and knew they were in sin!
     
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    You actually believe those statements are saying the same thing (that I am at once denying and affirming), don't you?

    When you read "it pleased God to crush him" you do not find a correlation between this passage and Peter's sermon in Acts but instead honestly believe it reads that God Himself "crushed Him".

    I do not know why I did not catch your error sooner (with your translation of Mt. 27:46 demanding the interpretion God departed/ separated from Christ I should have).

    But that is what you see, regardless of the actual words used in the text, isn't it?

    This is what I mean my tradition. You can not grasp how the text itself (for right or wrong) could mean something different. You are trapped in a box and are not being deceptive (as I once thought) when you do not see a difference in those statements.
     
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    Yes, and then became spiritual dead!
     
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    God the Father in the ultimate sense nailed Jesus upon that Cross, and Jesus was in full agreement with it!
     
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    They did not yet know God would redeem them (Genesis 3:8),
     
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    Did Adam, the anthropos, have a soul or did he, that which God made out of the dust of the ground, with spirit lives breathed into it/him become soul, living?

    Or is there no difference?
     
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    Not so or scripture would say so and it does not
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    Scripture does not say this any where.
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    It appears that you do believe that God bruised or crushed him but not that He struck Him. I don't know what you mean; I only know what you write.
    You are, I suppose, referring to Acts 2:23 which says that Christ was put to death 'by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God,' just as Acts 4:27-28 confirms. No, I don't believe that God actually stretched out His hand and struck Christ, but it was the will of the Triune God for Christ to be stricken, so much so that the Lord Jesus Himself says that is what will happen. 'I will strike the Shepherd.'
    What I see is what the text says: that 'God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son' to be stricken and crushed and tortured and killed to make propitiation for our sins. 'He who did not spare His own Son.....' How it must have wrung the Father's heart and how we should rejoice and praise God for His wonderful grace!
     
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    Do you believe that man is at least composed of material and immaterial substance? Do you believe the immaterial substance is "spirit" and thus "spiritual" in nature?
     
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