Stats Prove Gun Control Does Not Work

[Revmitchell]

Just this week, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals struck down Illinois’s ban on carrying concealed weapons and gave the state six months to draft a law that legalizes concealed carry. Despite having the toughest gun control laws in the country Chicago remains one of the most violent and deadliest cities. A concealed carry law will make Illinois better and safer.

Gun control advocates just need to look at Virginia. Between 2006-2011 gun sales went up by 73% and at the same time gun-related violent crimes fell 24%. Virginia Commonwealth University professor Thomas R. Baker, who specializes in research methods and criminology, said this proves that more guns do not in fact cause more violence.

"While there is a wealth of academic literature attempting to demonstrate the relationship between guns and crime, a very simple and intuitive demonstration of the numbers seems to point away from the premise that more guns leads to more crime, at least in Virginia," said Baker.

Baker examined six years of data from the Virginia Firearms Transaction Center that broke down the number of gun transactions for every federally licensed firearm dealer in Virginia. Background checks went up from 243,251 in 2006 to 420,829 in 2011. In 2006 there were 23,431 violent crimes in Virginia and dropped to 18,196 in 2011.

Handgun purchases increased 112% between 2006-2011 and violent crimes committed by people using handguns dropped by 22%.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/16/Stats-Prove-Gun-Control-Does-Not-Work

 

[Crabtownboy]

And you believe guns make you safe?

 

[Revmitchell]

And you believe guns make you safe?

Yes very safe. thanks for asking.

 

[Revmitchell]

 

[Crabtownboy]

If guns make us safe why are there so many more deaths in the USA from guns than in other countries? If the made us safe should there not be fewer deaths from guns?

 

[Oldtimer]

And you believe guns make you safe?

Have you bothered to check out the gun control laws for the countries represented on your list?

In the right to bear arms debate, pro-gun Americans point to Switzerland, where almost every adult male is legally required to possess a gun. One of the few nations with a higher per capita rate of gun ownership than the United States, Switzerland has virtually no gun crime.
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What have we learned from Switzerland?' Guns in themselves are not a cause of gun crime; if they were, everyone in Switzerland would long ago have been shot in a domestic quarrel.

Cultural conditions, not gun laws, are the most important factors in a nation's crime rate. Young adults in Washington, D.C., are subject to strict gun control, but no social control, and they commit a staggering amount of armed crime. Young adults in Zurich are subject to minimal gun control, but strict social control, and they commit almost no crime.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

How about Canada?

The stated intent of Canadian firearms laws are to control firearms so as to improve public safety. Canadians have a somewhat limited access to firearms, but are still able to purchase them with relative ease. They must have a firearms licence, and firearms fall into one of three categories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics

Sweden?

Gun ownership requires license and is regulated by the weapon law (Vapenlagen 1996:67) further regulations are found in weapon decree (Vapenförordningen 1996:70). The law doesn't ban any specific firearms or weapons, it merely states the requirements to own one. Everything from pepperspray to full-automatic machine guns are technically legal, and license to civilians can be given in 'special' cases. Like the other Nordic countries Sweden has a high rate of gun ownership, due to the popularity of hunting. The weapons law doesn't apply to air guns and similar with a projectile energy less than 10 joules at the end of barrel. These require no license and may be bought by any person over 18 years. Breech-loading rifles manufactured before 1890 are exempt as well. The gun license is obtained from the Police, and one must be in good standing and at least 18 years old, but exceptions regarding age can be made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics

United Kingdom - Britian?

Gun ownership rates vary throughout the United Kingdom. Northern Ireland has a very high rate of gun ownership, one of the highest in the world. In contrast England and Wales have considerably lower rates and Scotland has the lowest in the United Kingdom. Private ownership of firearms is common in many rural areas of Britain.[51] Crime involving firearms has historically been very low in the UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics

Israel?

It is forbidden in Israel to own any kind of firearm, including air pistols and rifles, without a firearms license.
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Self-defense firearms may be carried in public, concealed or openly. Israel is notable for being a country with few places where firearms are off limits to licensed individuals (private premises, some government offices and institutions, courts).

In addition to private licenses of firearms, organizations can issue carry licenses to their members for activity related to that organization (e.g. security companies, shooting clubs, other workplaces).

Soldiers are allowed to carry their personal weapons and ammunition while on furlough during active service, uniformed or in civilian clothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics#Israel

That was just a quick lookup of some of the countries listed in your ban the guns promo piece.

Mexico has gun control laws in place. Have you looked at their stats?

International Violent Death Rate Table Discussion
"Gun death" statistics are frequently cited, in the manner above, to strongly suggest that guns are the cause behind the high violent death rate in the U.S. As in the case of the Los Angeles Times article, no mention is made that over half of those violent deaths are suicides. The CNN article mentions gun homicides and gun suicides, but fails to show us the total violent death rate of other countries, not just gun deaths. For example, in Japan, where gun ownership is rare, its total suicide rate is higher than our total suicide rate. Combining gun suicide and homicide deaths creates a sensational comparison with other countries, but only clouds and distorts the many factors actually behind violent death rates. Looking at only gun deaths, it is easy to get the false impression that, because of guns, the United States is the most violent country on earth.

Rather than being the "league leader" in violent death rates, as the sensational and misleading media reports suggest when focusing exclusively on guns, though the U.S. is still high, its violent death rate is not orders of magnitude higher than other countries. (See also international homicide comparisons.)

The "gun death" statistic is seldom referenced within its proper perspective and context. Also rare is the article that mentions the number of lives saved through defensive gun use and that our homicide rate is at a thirty year low and still declining (FBI Uniform Crime Reports). http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html

Any comment on the list of stats included in the last link?

 

[Revmitchell]

If guns make us safe why are there so many more deaths in the USA from guns than in other countries? If the made us safe should there not be fewer deaths from guns?

Because there are too many restrictions. Try thinking this through fro yourself rather than just following lock step with the extreme far left.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Because there are too many restrictions. Try thinking this through fro yourself rather than just following lock step with the extreme far left.

They give everyone a handgun and according to your logic violent deaths would go down. Right?

What can we do to foster less violence in our society?

 

[Revmitchell]

They give everyone a handgun and according to your logic violent deaths would go down. Right?

What can we do to foster less violence in our society?

Put God back in our school system, place an ugly stigma on violent video games and movies, get rid of all agencies that do not respect life (Planned Parenthood) Stand up for biblical principles in every facet of our country. The issue is not a tool (gun) problem it is a heart problem.

Life needs to become precious again to the American people. Those that promote agencies that have no respect for life (Planned Parenthood) are a big part of the problem. Between the violence in games and movies and the disrespect for life in the womb it means nothing to take innocent lives.

We also need to work on strengthening families. We need strong families that have a mother and a father in the home that take concern for the daily lives of their children. These are the issues that feed violence. Not the tools violent people use.

 

[Revmitchell]

So now diseased liberals will introduce an assult weapons ban in the wake of the conn killing when there was no assault weapons involved. Quite telling that this is just an excuse. Which liberals are good at. Just ask Hillary.

 

[Revmitchell]

If guns make us safe why are there so many more deaths in the USA from guns than in other countries? If the made us safe should there not be fewer deaths from guns?

How many unborn children are slaughtered every day by Planned Parenthood? We need a ban on them long before we need a ban on any kind of gun.

 

[Revmitchell]

Media blackout: Oregon mall shooter was stopped by an armed citizen

liberal media bias
Oregon mall shooting

While reports of Tuesday's shooting at the Clackamas Town Center Mall in Oregon, dominated the national media, until Friday's horrific shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, one very important detail has been repeatedly (and intentionally) left out of the MSM's coverage.

The shooter, Jacob Tyler Roberts, was confronted with an armed citizen, at which time he ran away and shot himself. By the time police arrived on the scene, Roberts was already dead.

That armed man was 22-year-old Nick Meli, who was at the mall shopping with a young woman who was babysitting her friend's baby.

http://www.examiner.com/article/med...s-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen?cid=db_articles

 

[Crabtownboy]

How many unborn children are slaughtered every day by Planned Parenthood? We need a ban on them long before we need a ban on any kind of gun.

Off topic. Start a thread on it.

The SC has ruled and people can own guns. No question, it is the law. But, is there not some way to have some type of control to help prevent deranged people from having ready access and committing such terrible acts?

Say, extremely tough laws for anyone found with a gun who is not licensed?

Make licensing renewal mandatory every five years?

Outlaw automatic weapons. No one really needs them.

I grew up in the country with shotguns and rifles ... even an old muzzle loading rifle that used black powder. They were used for hunting and shooting predators, such as rabid foxes. I do not believe anyone really believed they were "safer" just because they had weapons in the house. Every kid I knew had access to rifles and shotguns but also every kid had been given lessons by their dad or granddad on how to handle such a weapon safely. This was for the protection of the kid with the gun and for the protection any anyone with him/her.

For example, we were taught that when crossing a fence to lean the shotgun or rifle against a fence post, then walk to the next fence post and cross the fence at that point. [You always cross a fence at a post, never between them.]

To me this is a myth and a very well presented myth that many people believe. More people are accidentally killed by family members than from people breaking into the house. I expect very few bandits or housebreakers are killed by homeowners. We do know that very innocent people have been shot when they knocked on a door asking for directions. Remember the Japanese college student who walked up to a house, knocked on the door and was shot by a suspicions homeowner. Of course I'd never trust city folk with knowing how to handle weapons anyway.

Oh well ... this is a divisive issue and I doubt there will ever be agreement on the topic.

 

[annsni]

liberal media bias
Oregon mall shooting

While reports of Tuesday's shooting at the Clackamas Town Center Mall in Oregon, dominated the national media, until Friday's horrific shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, one very important detail has been repeatedly (and intentionally) left out of the MSM's coverage.

The shooter, Jacob Tyler Roberts, was confronted with an armed citizen, at which time he ran away and shot himself. By the time police arrived on the scene, Roberts was already dead.

That armed man was 22-year-old Nick Meli, who was at the mall shopping with a young woman who was babysitting her friend's baby.

http://www.examiner.com/article/med...s-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen?cid=db_articles

From my understanding the same thing happened in CT. I believe that I heard that the police came straight into the building, saw the shooter who saw them and then ran back into a classroom, got off a few more shots (into the students who were most likely already dead) and then shot himself. His plan was to continue killing - NOT to kill some and then kill himself.

 

[Jack Matthews]

Pure statistics do not tell the whole story. The fact of the matter is that the more guns there are, the more shootings there are, period. What are you willing to accept as the price for a complete lack of responsibility? The lives of children in a first grade classroom?

The rhetoric is always an all or nothing proposition. Let's put this in realistic terms. You can yammer and flap your lips all you want to about sanctity of human life, and the right to bear arms. But what have you accomplished if the children you've protected from abortion are gunned down in their classroom because you're not willing to restrict gun ownership and sales in a reasonable manner?

The fact of the matter is that a number of Western European countries do an excellent job of putting responsible gun ownership in place, and have been quite successful not only at preventing hundreds of shooting deaths per year, but also in preventing massacres like this most recent school shooting. There are several different approaches that seem to work for both gun owners and for people who don't want to fear getting shot because they are merely walking down the street.

 

[Revmitchell]

Off topic. Start a thread on it.

On topic it is my thread. More children are slaughtered by abortion than guns. Period. And you support the organizations that do that. You have no room to talk.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Jack, your claims are toothless. No facts to back them up.

No, I am not willing to create gun-free zones full of defenseless women & children. You are. How can you possibly claim the moral high ground ?

Are you more likely to get shot in Montana, where there are millions of guns, or New Your City, where handguns are "regulated" ?

 

[Revmitchell]

Murders of school-age children---those between the ages of 5 and 18—declined by 42 percent between the 1992-93 school year and the 2008-2009 school year, according to the U.S. Department of Justice, and only about 1 percent of the school age children murdered during the 2008-2009 school year were murdered at school.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/doj-murders-school-age-children-down-42-only-1-take-place-school

 

[Revmitchell]

What Drug Date Where Additional
School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically

School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage

School Shooting Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School

School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student

School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself

School Shooting Med For Depression 2009-03-13 Germany **16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression

School Hostage Situation Med For Depression 2010-12-15 France **17 Year Old with Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage

School Shooting Plot Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL 2008-08-28 Texas **18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack

School Shooting Anafranil Antidepressant 1988-05-20 Illinois **29 Year Old WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self

School Shooting Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants 1999-04-20 Colorado **COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school