Strange Things the Holy Spirit Cannot Do….

Ever have one of those moments where you didn't know whether to laugh or cry?

I have read some versions where I believe the Spirit was practically yelling at me to close the book.... BUT (and I am strongly King James Preference) I don't see the issue with this particular verse. One can not be IN Jesus without walking in the Spirit. That is, if you are walking in the flesh you are not in Jesus.

Which way did the autograph read? Either way I don't see it as a change of meaning.
Paul practically repeats the statement in Galatians, which is both an argument that it should be in Rom 8:1 AND an argument that it was an added cross reference. People repeat certain phrases, for all we know Paul was fond of saying 'walk in the spirit' and wrote it all the time... but people also like to copy notes into their bibles (even the scribes) so maybe it was a cross reference saying, "look, this is what he is talking about when he says in Jesus."

 

The autograph's are no longer exant.

 

I'm very well aware of that, thats why I said 'did it read', instead of 'does it read'.

 

Well well well, now I remember why I don't come here anymore. Just for the record, I believe that the KJV says it correctly. People like to leave the second part out because it leaves them free to believe other things. (Whatever is convenient), and gives them the liberty to attack others.

The Holy Spirit does speak to all of us daily. Some choose to ignore Him, but He is speaking never the less.

John 16-13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

The Bible is for ALL of us, otherwise, these verses would not need to be in our Bible.

Jesus was speaking to all the people that would ever be born in this world, from then until this present day and beyond.

Not just the Apostles, that were there with Him that day.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

God Bless you all,

Tam

 

Only if you don't read the passage. The passage makes it clear.

That statement was made to the disciples of Jesus about the NT. It was not made to you.

 

FTR, I also believe the KJV rendering is the correct one, but it is not because of "the Spirit bearing witness with my witness" that I believe that way. If I say that, then I imply that I have a monopoly on the Holy Spirit and all others that disagree with me are either unsaved or don't have the Holy Spirit. That is a very unkind and judgmental stand to take--one that HP has taken. Basically he is calling half the board unsaved.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more.

He leads and guides us. But this verse is taken out of context. He is speaking to His Apostles. Can you honestly say that He leads you into ALL truth? Do you know ALL the truth?

There are many verses in the Bible that don't apply to us.
Does God speak to you through a burning bush as he did to Moses?
If you speak in tongues is there a mighty wind and cloven tongues of fire present every time?
Have you witnessed the parting of the Red Sea lately?
--All Scripture/events do not apply to us today.

On what authority do you say that? It is just your opinion. Again do you know all truth?

If it was just the Apostles, and didn't relate to the inspiration of Scripture, why aren't you omniscient like God, and know all things?

Although this is the way the KJV renders it, it would not deter my faith if it didn't, for the same truth is taught if it wasn't in the KJV. Many MSS do omit it. The Holy Spirit cannot bear witness with my spirit whether it is in the original MSS or not. That must come from a study of the Greek MSS, and a conclusion based on my own personal study. I may come to my own personal conclusion. But it is wrong to say: "The Holy Spirit bears witness with my spirit that Romans 8:1 is correct as written in the KJV." The Holy Spirit does not work that way. He does not go beyond the bounds of the Word. He does not give extra-Biblical knowledge. He does not engage himself in the heresy of gnosticism.

 

I am certain that your methodology is wrong, and that is why I spoke up.

This is slanderous and wicked (to use your words). I made no such comparison and you should not have accused me of such. the fact that you don't understand the comparison is your problem. You have not thought very well or very deeply about this topic. You are using the Holy Spirit in a blasphemous way to support your own opinion. I showed you that and you have refused to accept it. The Holy Spirit is not a toy to be used as you are using him.

 

If what you say is true, then the Bible is a dead book and is of no matter in this world.

But we all know that the Bible is called a living book. Each time I pick it up and begin to read, the Holy Spirit shows me understanding of scripture that I didn't see before, even though I may have read the scripture hundreds of times before.

But then how can light debate with darkness. The scripture even says:

1 Tim 6-20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

If the scripture was not for me, then who? All scripture is given for inspiration------etc.

And with that I will sign off for now.

Tam

 

If you think, then you don't understand what I said.

This is the result of illumination and study. It is not the direct work of the Holy Spirit, but the work of the Holy Spirit through regeneration which opens our spiritual eyes, and study.

Are you questioning my salvation?

Yes indeed. The claim that the Holy Spirit confirmed a particular textual variant is a profane and vain babbling. We should avoid them.

Was Luke 1:35 written to you? Of course not. You can see how absurd that is. That doesn't mean that there is no profitability in that passage, but simply that it wasn't written directly to you. The same is true of the verse cited earlier. There is certainly profitability in that passage for us in that it teaches us the origin and preconfirmation of the NT Scriptures. That does not mean that it was written directly to us.

Yes indeed.

 

I haven't made any personal attacks. That was you who did that.

The difference is that I have not seen you consistently do this, but you are using the Holy Spirit illegitimately, which is what blasphemy is, in part. Whenever we use God or his name for something he would not use it for, we are blaspheming and maligning him.

It wasn't offensive. It was in keeping with both truth and Christian charity. You are misusing the Holy Spirit. Do not do that, regardless of what you conclude about the passage in view.

Let's return to the topic and get away from your rabbit trails.

I say that the Holy Spirit has confirmed to me the truth of Romans 8:1 that it should not contain the last phrase found in the KJV.

How do you respond?

And BTW, please quit changing the font. It makes your posts obnoxious to read.

 

It is hard to imagine you don't understand what I have already said. It was clear.

Perhaps this is part of the problem both in this conversation, as well as with the Bible: You don't appear to be paying attention to what is said.

Bad doctrine and bad conversations are the result of people who don't read closely and pay attention to understand.

 

But let's return to the issue and let me repeat what I asked earlier:

I say that the Holy Spirit has confirmed to me the truth of Romans 8:1 that it should not contain the last phrase found in the KJV.

How do you respond?