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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Apr 16, 2024.

  1. KenH

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    6 minutes, 30 seconds long video.

     
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    Ye have been reconciled.
     
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    1 John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    1 Timothy 2:4-6, . . . Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, . . .
     
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    Once again an obviously false doctrine has been posted.

    1) Does the bible teach Jesus became t he means of salvation for the whole of humanity? Yes, 1 John 2:2
    2) Does the bible teach the lost are unable to seek God and trust in Christ? Nope, John 3:16
    3) Does the bible teach the lost are called to believe? Yes everyone believing into Him will not perish. John 3:16
    4) Repentance and faith are used by God to choose people for salvation, thus occurs before our individual election for salvation, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
     
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    Is Jn 3:16 an invitation? Nope. It's a statement of fact.
     
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    So, Vanology holds that those who 'choose of their own free will' to repent and believe (redundant) God might, just might, choose them to be saved. That's some really encouraging news there, Van.
     
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    Everyone believing into Him is an invitation. You can deny scripture till the cows come home, but scripture remains unbroken.
     
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    Does this poster think everyone who receives the gospel with joy is saved? I doubt it, since Matthew 13 teaches otherwise.

    Does this poster think everyone who says "Lord, Lord" is saved? I doubt it, since Matthew 7 teaches otherwise.

    1) Does the bible teach Jesus became the means of salvation for the whole of humanity? Yes, 1 John 2:2
    2) Does the bible teach the lost are unable to seek God and trust in Christ? Nope, John 3:16
    3) Does the bible teach the lost are called to believe? Yes everyone believing into Him will not perish. John 3:16
    4) Repentance and faith are used by God to choose people for salvation, thus occurs before our individual election for salvation, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
     
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    Revelation 22:17 has been called the greatest invitation. Those who read Spurgeon have, undoubtedly, read his use of this passage as an invitation:

    "The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost."
     
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    This is an invitation:

    28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
    29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
    30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Mt 11

    This is a statement of fact:

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. Jn 3
     
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    6 Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Mt 5
     
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    Yes....that's a good invitation as well.

    John 3:16 is a statement about how God loved the World. I agree it isn't an invitation. It is a statement of fact. God loved the World by sending Jesus that all who believed woukd have everlasting life.
     
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    That's a statement of fact too. And one we can hang our hat on.
     
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    "To say that God the Father has purposed the salvation of all mankind, that God the Son died with the express intention of saving the whole human race, and that God the Holy Spirit is now seeking to win the world to Christ; when, as a matter of common observation, it is apparent that the great majority of our fellowmen are dying in sin, and passing into a hopeless eternity; is to say that God the Father is disappointed, that God the Son is dissatisfied, and that God the Holy Spirit is defeated. We have stated the issue baldly, but there is no escaping the conclusion. To argue that God is “trying His best” to save all mankind, but that the majority of men will not let Him save them, is to insist that the will of the Creator is impotent, and that the will of the creature is omnipotent. To throw the blame, as many do, upon the Devil, does not remove the difficulty, for if Satan is defeating the purpose of God, then, Satan is Almighty and God is no longer the Supreme Being."

    - excerpt from Arthur W. Pink's The Sovereignty of God
     
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    the THEORY of any limitations on the extent of the Death of Jesus Christ, is destroyed by MANY passages in the Old and New Testaments. If we are to accept what God actually says, and not what we would like Him to say, then no Christian can ever believe in this FALLACY!
     
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    Problem is Pink is being extraordinary dishonest in his handling of the opposing view.

    The opposing view is that Christ died for mankind, as a whole, to save those who woukd believe.
     
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    Thus, the opposing has a god that does not always obtain what He desires, a god that fails to always achieve His purposes - basically like the gods of Greek mythology or the "superheroes" in modern day Marvel Comics movies.
     
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    How amazingly wrong you are.

    The God of the opposing view (that Christ is the Propitiation for the sins of the whole world as opposed to only those who believe) is the exact same God of those who believe in limited atonement.

    The difference is not God but human understandings of God's mind.

    I have seen your confusion in others, in some who hold that opposing view and accuse Calvinit's of worshipping another god.

    In the end it is a sin that must be overcome - one of leaning on one's own understanding, referring to a child of God as pagan, and essentially demeaning God by not recognizing He is the One being worshipped.
     
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    And you are incorrect (just wanted to keep addressing your insistance that to worship God one must agree with your ideas separate from addressing your misunderstanding).

    Unlimited Atonement does not mean that God is not God, or that His will isn't accomplished.

    God states that He desires none perish. He stated that His desire was for Israel to repent and that He would intervene (they wouldn't be conquered). He states that He desired Jerusalem to repent, that only if they would He would protect them.

    But God is not a child. He has a will, a plan, that He will accomplish (a greater desire).

    We see this in Psalm 22. And in the Garden. We see this all through the Old Testament.


    The opposing view does views God as drawing people to Himself, salvation being accomplished in the life of an individual upon belief.

    Your mischaracterization of the opposing view is dishonest. As such it indicates a weakness in your own position as you hold it. Otherwise you would have been able to argue your view from a position of integrity.
     
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