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Sweden’s Semi-Lockdown: A Middle Way That Won’t Crash Their Economy

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by KenH, Apr 9, 2020.

  1. KenH

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    "Moreover, seemingly every epidemiologist who gets quoted or published regarding the coronavirus ignores the most basic rule in epidemiology called Farr's Law(dating to 1840 and before any public health organizations), that says epidemics peak and decline on their own. That’s not to say that proper actions cannot reduce overall infections – or improper ones increase them. During bubonic plague outbreaks people sometimes blamed and killed cats – that of course were actually beneficial in controlling plague-spreading rats. There’s a lesson there.

    Both Farr’s Law and the Scandinavian experience show it may not be necessary to destroy the world economy to save the world. Further, we’ve long known that “wealth equals health,” and not just between nations such as the U.S. and Bangladesh but within countries as well. Health is a commodity just like automobiles and toasters. Therefore, a deep world recession or depression is probably going to do some serious killing long after COVID-19 fades into the background.

    But aside from a few countries, we’ve seen too little balancing. Instead it seems fanaticism has reigned—a tunnel vision focused on combating this disease through coercive means, at the cost of untold economic devastation and ruined lives.

    Perhaps it’s time to rethink that strategy."

    Sweden's Semi-Lockdown: A Middle Way That Won't Crash Their Economy | The American Conservative
     
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    This is not really in that category, Ken, because this is a biological warfare weapon that was unleashed on the world either accidently or on purpose. The Chinese were researching a way to take HIV and Sars and combine it with a virulent bad virus to make it infect humans. They succeeded in killing at least a million of their own as the virus escaped the lab perhaps on purpose or perhaps accidently. It is the Chinese economy that is going to crash because no one will ever buy anything from them again, at least not in the USA.

     
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    This strawman argument is an outright lie. Every epidemiologist acknowledges that it will peak and decline on its own. The problem is what will happen to our populations and health systems if we just let that happen without any intervention.

    With regard to Sweden a lot of people inside and outside of Sweden feel their approach is a ticking time bomb about to backfire.

    https://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/?amp=true

    It is starting to look that way.

    Sweden Coronavirus: 9,141 Cases and 793 Deaths - Worldometer
     
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    We can all argue over this from now until the return of Christ, but the bottom line is we will be forced by economic events to begin to reopen the U.S. economy by early May, except for any hot spots. The repercussions of not doing so could easily dwarf the impacts of COVID-19.

    Let’s all hope that the next 21 days see improvement for us all.
     
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    I work in Commercial Land Planning (Architecture/ Civil Engineering/ Government Permitting) and we are already seeing leading indicators that look TOO much like 2008 all over again. Big Business has started hunkering down and putting the brakes on new Commercial Projects. That translates to an abrupt decrease in new construction starting in about 3-6 months.

    I agree, the shutdown is crushing the economy.
     
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    here in the State of WA we have adopted a sane approach of sorts.

    counties with less infection, more activity is allowed/suggested - WA is now in mortality decline.

    my county - mason county - population 60,000 - 18 total virus cases - no deaths.

    went into Shelton yesterday for a car repair. about half the normal traffic on the road.
    in town no one wore masks, no one seem to care about the 6 foot social distancing.

    i did see a sign on State route 3 "please stay at home".
     
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    I began calling and cancelling my cardiac stress test patients scheduled for the month of May this week.

    It looks like perhaps mid-May or June we may begin to perform elective procedures on a very limited basis.

    Here in SE Pennsylvania we are deep into the epidemic. Isolation is the only way to combat its spread currently.

    Rob
     
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    That is much like my county - Union - in Arkansas. Population 39,000. 16 cases. 4 recoveries. No deaths.

    I did my weekly shopping yesterday at Walmart and Petsense. Few people wearing masks and most of those that were looked to be in the 70s. People doing well with not being too close to each other. I went to Walmart at 7:00 in the morning to make sure I wouldn't have to wait in line to get in since they are limiting how many people can be in the store at a time.
     
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    WE NEED TO protect ELECTION DAY before the commies shut it down!
     
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    How are we going to do that?
     
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    GET THE HEALTH AND ECONOMY OF THE NATION BACK TO NORMAL
     
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    They have what, 10 million total population?
     
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    They have many Muslims who live there just for the welfare benefits.
     
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    Yes. Stockholm has around a million people.
     
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    Easier then say us with what, 350 million?
     
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    The large metropolitan areas will need different rules than the rest of us.
     
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    Might be like escape to New York, those big walls around the big city, eh?
     
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    Or “Doomsday” starring Rhona Mitra.
     
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    So now the beloved liberal paradise of Muslim rape and big welfare, aka Sweden, has announced that they will ration care and not give everyone the whole nine yards of medical treatment because of limited resources. So maybe St. Greta was wrong--it won't be as long as 12 years and it will not be carbon dioxide but Wuhan lab escapee.
     
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