Swine Flu Update

[Crabtownboy]

It is strange how our press jumps on a story, making it front page news for a few days and then ignores the continuing story. The swine flu is one of them ... but it will return to the front page next fall and winter.

ATLANTA -- In a disturbing new projection, health officials say up to 40 percent of Americans could get swine flu this year and next and several hundred thousand could die without a successful vaccine campaign and other measures.

Swine flu has already hit the United States harder than any other nation, but it has struck something of a glancing blow that's more surprising than devastating. The virus has killed about 300 Americans and experts believe it has sickened more than 1 million, comparable to a seasonal flu with the weird ability to keep spreading in the summer.

Health officials say flu cases may explode in the fall, when schools open and become germ factories, and the new estimates dramatize the need to have vaccines and other measures in place
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/25/AR2009072500591.html?hpid=sec-health

From Wales:

Jul 23 2009 WalesOnline

There were an estimated 100,000 new cases of swine flu last week, the Health Protection Agency said today.

This is around double the number in the previous week, when 55,000 people were estimated to be newly-diagnosed with swine flu in England.

It comes as the National Flu Pandemic Service for England website crashed within minutes of going live due to the volume of people trying to access it.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...pected-new-cases-of-swine-flu-91466-24226894/

 

[Salty]

It is strange how our press jumps on a story, making it front page news for a few days and then ignores the continuing story. ...

could be that Michael Jackson was more important...

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Fear and scary things make great ratings...for a while. Then it is on to the next thing. I for one, will be getting the vaccine for swine flu when it becomes available.

 

[Salty]

Fear and scary things make great ratings...for a while. .

MP, this is getting serious, we are agreeing way to often :smilewinkgrin:

 

[poncho]

Fear and scary things make great ratings...for a while. Then it is on to the next thing. I for one, will be getting the vaccine for swine flu when it becomes available.

Hope you'll let us all know how your immune system reacts to the so far un-approved for use in the U.S. squalene adjuvant in the vaccine.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Hope you'll let us all know how your immune system reacts to the so far un-approved for use in the U.S. squalene adjuvant in the vaccine.

That link appears to rail against ALL vaccinations, replacing them with diet. Sorry, but yes, every vaccine has risks. So does coming down with the disease. I get a flu shot every year, and will do so again this fall. I am not afraid of it, and prefer the risk of the vaccine over even spending a miserable couple of weeks with some severe flu symptoms.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Hope you'll let us all know how your immune system reacts to the so far un-approved for use in the U.S. squalene adjuvant in the vaccine.

Magnetic Poles replied: That link appears to rail against ALL vaccinations, replacing them with diet. Sorry, but yes, every vaccine has risks. So does coming down with the disease. I get a flu shot every year, and will do so again this fall. I am not afraid of it, and prefer the risk of the vaccine over even spending a miserable couple of weeks with some severe flu symptoms.

MP, it appears Poncho has quoted from one of the fear mongering web sites. Every flu vaccine is untested at this time of year every year. There are several hospitals in the urban area where I live who are looking for volunteers to test the one for this year. I certainly would volunteer if my local hospital was one of them. But I do not want to fight my way through urban traffic the 30+ miles to one of the hospitals that is conducting the tests.

I will be one of the first in line this fall ....

And, yes, you are correct, every vaccine carries some risk, but I'd rather take that risk than take the much higher risk of catching the flu.

 

[targus]

I'm still wondering what happened to the bird flu that was supposed to have killed us all by now?

BTW - crabby, why are you worried about the swine flu and flu shots? Don't you trust God? Are you afraid of dying? Leave the swine flu shots for the young who have more to live for.:tongue3:

 

[Crabtownboy]

I'm still wondering what happened to the bird flu that was supposed to have killed us all by now?

BTW - crabby, why are you worried about the swine flu and flu shots? Don't you trust God? Are you afraid of dying? Leave the swine flu shots for the young who have more to live for.:tongue3:

Yep, sure do trust God. I also trust that God gave us brains and expects us to use them in preventative health care, such as taking flu shots. If you are young you really should get the shot. Seems the swine flu is much harder on the young than the old. Wonder why?

 

[rdwhite]

The last time I had a flu shot was in college, they were giving them free at the dispensary. I was never so sick in all my life. I have never again taken the flu shot and I am not about to start now. So if any you want an extra dose, you can have mine!!

I wonder who is profiting from the release of this laboratory manufactured biological weapon and its supposed counter agent, oops, I mean vaccine.

 

[Ed Edwards]

The last time I had a flu shot was in college, they were giving them free at the dispensary. I was never so sick in all my life. I have never again taken the flu shot and I am not about to start now. So if any you want an extra dose, you can have mine!!

I wonder who is profiting from the release of this laboratory manufactured biological weapon and its supposed counter agent, oops, I mean vaccine.

Strange, I've been taking flu anti-viral shots every year since 1971. In the Spring of 1971 I spent two solid weeks off work. It was followed by like six months of clinical depression. (I never lost faith that Jesus had saved me April 1952) So I've taken the anti-flu-virus innoculation for 39 years straight (I'd also taken them when I was in the military). Since I've already turned 60, my insurance vendor has to pay for it, but the doctors have quit giving it, so I line up at the Senior Citizen Center with all the old folks and get my anti-flu-virus innoculation ever fall.

All 39 of those occasions taken together are nothing near my tribulation of 1971.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Fear and scary things make great ratings...for a while. Then it is on to the next thing. I for one, will be getting the vaccine for swine flu when it becomes available.

Ed Edwards sez: Amen, Broother Magnetic Poles -- preach it! :thumbs:

MP, this is getting serious, we are agreeing way to often :smilewinkgrin:

I'll take up the burden there SaltCityBapTist

Ed sez again: Amen, Broother Magnetic Poles -- preach it! :thumbs:

 

[Ed Edwards]

I'm still wondering what happened to the bird flu that was supposed to have killed us all by now?

...

apparently the bird flu has mutated in pigs. We now like to call it the Flying Pigs flu(s) or just a simple alpha-numeric code:

H1N1

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Ed, you and I are definitely in agreement on this. I get the shot every year without fail. One year when I didn't, I got really sick, but I have not had the flu in many years because of getting the annual vaccine. I am not yet 60, but heading there with great velocity. Safeway offers the shot every year here in their pharmacy, so it is easy to do.

 

[poncho]

MP, it appears Poncho has quoted from one of the fear mongering web sites. Every flu vaccine is untested at this time of year every year. There are several hospitals in the urban area where I live who are looking for volunteers to test the one for this year. I certainly would volunteer if my local hospital was one of them. But I do not want to fight my way through urban traffic the 30+ miles to one of the hospitals that is conducting the tests.

I will be one of the first in line this fall ....

And, yes, you are correct, every vaccine carries some risk, but I'd rather take that risk than take the much higher risk of catching the flu.

And just what are these risks? Do you and MP know what they are? Can you and MP tell us? Will you and MP tell us? Please do I'm sure we'd all like to know what they are so we can make an informed decision.

 

[Crabtownboy]

And just what are these risks? Do you and MP know what they are? Can you and MP tell us? Will you and MP tell us? Please do I'm sure we'd all like to know what they are so we can make an informed decision.

Since the vaccine is untested to date there is no way to know for sure what the risks are or if there are any. However, since the flu vaccine has been around for at least 40 years the risks can be surmised from past experience, but there are no guarantees.

Some experts say extensive testing is unnecessary since flu vaccines have been used for 40 years, and this version will simply contain a new ingredient – the swine flu virus.

However, the US is taking a more cautious approach, carrying out tests on several thousand volunteers from next month to assess the vaccine's safety.

"I can't see any possible excuse to not test it for safety before it's given to anyone," said George Annas, a bioethics expert at Boston University. The warnings came as it was revealed the UK government had been forced to accept legal liability for the swine flu vaccine in case it triggered side effects.

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Untested-swine-flu-vaccine-could.5495018.jp

In my opinion the risk from the flu is much greater than the risk of the vaccine. Yes, I will be in line to get the vaccine when it is available. Will you?

 

[poncho]

Since the vaccine is untested to date there is no way to know for sure what the risks are or if there are any. However, since the flu vaccine has been around for at least 40 years the risks can be surmised from past experience, but there are no guarantees.



In my opinion the risk from the flu is much greater than the risk of the vaccine. Yes, I will be in line to get the vaccine when it is available. Will you?

No I won't. Not even if it's "mandatory". I prefer to put my faith in a strong immune system rather than injecting some unknown and untested foreign substances into my body.

Big Pharma and it's corporate partners in the mass media have spent millions upon millions of dollars to flood my small 27 inch flat tv screen with commercials for their "safe effective drugs" only to later take them off the market because they were found to be of more harm than good.

Big Pharma and their corporate partners are now spending millions upon millions conditioning (advertizing/fearmongering) consumers such as yourself to spend billions upon billions of dollars on an untested vaccine which may have unknown long term side effects like their other highly advertized drugs they had to yank off the market.

Why? Because they've invested billions in producing this vaccine and other flu drugs. Their concern is their bottom line not your health or future. Why would you put such faith in a giant money making machine like that? Once that juice is injected there is no way to get it out. You're getting "stuck" in more ways than one.

Like I said before. Hope you'll let us all know how the squalene effects your immune system. My immune system will still be going strong after this flu season just as it's always been after many flu seasons . . . will your's?