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Featured Synergistic teaching of the Bible.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Jun 19, 2019.

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    There is no synergism here.
    For anyone to be judged according to their works, means they never left the realm of death they were born into.
    They go from first death to second death.
    Their works were not done to the glory of God .
     
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    So man's works resulting in God's condemnation is not any kind interaction between God and man?
     
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    Prov21:4...
    To be judged according to your works results in condemnation. We are saved by the works of Jesus.
    Good works we do to Gods glory give evidence that the Spirit was working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure
     
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    Ephesians 2:10. Post salvation Synergism.

    Synergism is a term in meaning which is not limited to salvation. And since salvation cannot require man's works in order to be saved, it cannot apply in that regard.
     
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    Sure it can. We only do good works as God works in us. We are active , yet unprofitable servants.
    We have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellancy is of God.
     
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    So am I to understand you believe works are required in order io be saved?
     
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    Not in order to..but because of
     
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    We were created for good works (Ephesians 2:10). God saves us and expects us to serve Him

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    We will be judged according to someone's works.

    Jesus works or our own.
     
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    And then in the broad sense whether good or bad that will be synergic as the result.
     
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    Personally I have chosen to rely on Him as my works are a hill of filthy rags.
     
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    [2Co 5:9-10 NASB] 9 Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
     
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    Is man running and hiding from an “interaction” with God?

    [Jhn 3:18-21 NASB] 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 "But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."
     
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    Perhaps it's best to start with a definition of Synergism:

    I think the best examples of Synergism in the Bible are these:

    [Deu 30:1-20 NASB]
    1 "So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call [them] to mind in all nations where the LORD your God has banished you,
    6 "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.
    11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. 12 "It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' 13 "Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' 14 "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it. 15 "See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
    19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,

    [Rom 8:15-17 NASB]
    15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with [Him] so that we may also be glorified with [Him.]​

    So we see clearly from these two passages that an element of Heaven (the Spirit Himself) and and element from earth (our spirit) must bare witness (testify) that we are children of God, and that this is a human choice which is not too difficult to make. It is not a choice made in heaven (by God), but a choice God commands all mankind to make for themselves. God commands man to choose this for himself 3 times in Deuteronomy 30. We know from Romans 10 that this is talking about faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ:

    [Rom 10:5-11 NASB]
    5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)." 8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."​

    Paul explicitly says in Romans 10 that this portion of Deuteronomy is talking about the covenant of faith, not the covenant of The Law. Furthermore, it's synergism is directly echoed in Romans 8:16. Heaven AND earth must witness the choice man makes for salvation... the choice whether or not to believe.
     
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    Isaiah 1
    18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
    19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
    20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
     
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    Faith is not a work. Faith is the opposite of works.

    [Rom 4:1-5 NASB]
    1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
     
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    This truth is not at issue. Romans 4:3-5. Ephesians 2:8-9.
     
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    The generation that left Egypt and died in the wilderness did not 'choose life'. Who then did obey the Law that God provided? Who kept the 10 commandments? Who does choose life?

    Romans 3 says no one.
    Ephesians 2 says God chooses to give life to the dead.

    Synergism must come after justification, in Ephesians 2:10
     
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    You are inferring the sequence... this is unnecessary because the Bible gives the sequence.

    [Eph 1:13-14 NASB]
    13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of [God's own] possession, to the praise of His glory.​

    The Holy Spirit's indwelling comes AFTER one believes, not before.

    Acts 11:17
    “Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?”

    You are assuming that "synnergism" is the cooperation between God and man. Yet the BIble indicates that we cooperate with Him prior to being indwelled by Him. The way we do that is through belief. We believe prior to being indwelled.

    Gal 3:6
    Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Rom 4:3
    For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.”

    Rom 4:11
    and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them,

    Gen 15:6
    Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

    Rom 4:13

    For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

    Rom 4:16
    For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

    Gal 3:8
    The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

    Jas 2:23
    and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS,” and he was called the friend of God.

    Gen 15:6
    Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.​

    Sure are a LOT of scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of Romans 3.

    Yes, God Chooses... but how does he choose? He chose the descendants of Abraham. That group is the "elect." The way you become a descendant of Abraham (if not biologically) is by choosing to have the same faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ that he had. The group known as "Abraham's Descendants" or "the elect" has open enrollment. But that is the chosen group.

    [Gal 3:6-9, 29 NASB]
    6 Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, [saying,] "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. ... 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.​
     
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