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T.u.l.i.p

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salty, Aug 18, 2010.

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  1. Total Depravity

    52 vote(s)
    76.5%
  2. Unconditional Election

    44 vote(s)
    64.7%
  3. Limited atonement

    33 vote(s)
    48.5%
  4. Irresistible Grace

    41 vote(s)
    60.3%
  5. Perseverance of the Saints

    57 vote(s)
    83.8%
  6. I believe in 6 or more of the 5 points

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  7. I do not accept any points of TULIP

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  1. Salty

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    Please explain what you men when you say "I believe in 6 or more of the 5 points."

    The Archangel
     
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    Not having read a definition for that "6 or more" I defined it myself to say that the TULIP does not accurately cover all that is entailed in the doctrines of grace.
     
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    TUPLIP is stuplid.

    I like R.O.S.E.S. by Timothy George.
     
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    I am a 4 Points Calvinist
     
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    Ian Paisley has said that he's a five-pointer -- "And they're all sharp!"
     
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    "I am one point shy of being a calvinist" (Former pastor)
     
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    5 Point Doctrines of Grace
     
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    What is T.U.P.L.I.P.?
     
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    Full-bore 5 pointer here.

    I noticed no zero-pointers have tuned in yet.

    Come on you Arminians out there ,... Where are you?
     
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    What are you doing on BaptistBoard then? It is an invention of man too. All TULIP is is an attempted summary of essential scripture truth. I don't believe it goes far enough, but that is a different matter. But this board and the acronym TULIP are just based on what is in the Bible.
     
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    If someone is a zero-pointer, then he wouldn't be an Arminian. Arminians believe in total depravity just like Calvinists.
     
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    A real, Wesleyan-Arminian would agree with the "T". But I've read several works by modern Baptists that oppose all 5 points. Most of them insist that man has the ability to believe. The Calvinist's "T" has man unable (inability) to believe until after the irresistable work of the Holy Spirit enable him. Most of today's Baptists, Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, Charismatics, cats, dogs, etc., are actually more like Pelagians than Arminians.

    Most Baptists today believe in Calvin's salvation to keep them saved, but believe in Pelagius' salvation to get them saved.
     
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    I'm an Arminian with the caveat that I don't tend to believe it is possible for a true believer to cease having faith in Christ. I do believe that if, as a hypothetical, a true believer did finally lose faith, he would not be saved.

    That's true, and very unfortunate.
     
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    That's an interesting caveat. Have you held to it for a long time?
     
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    I've probably had this position for a year and a half or so. I didn't really start thinking about this issue until I was about sixteen and it took me a couple of years and a lot of reading and studying the issue deeply to start to really form a semi-solid position. I'm not dogmatic about it as it's very complicated to sift through all the theological and philosophical issues involved.

    The main reason for my caveat is that I believe that regeneration involves such a fundamental transformation in one's nature and disposition towards God that I find it difficult to believe that a person would forsake it. I do find it possible, in theory, to forsake Christ and thereby forfeit salvation, but I don't think it actually ever happens.
     
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    I like ROSES, too. It is less in-your-face, without backing away from the doctrines of grace.

    BTW, here are the ROSES

    Radical depravity
    Overcoming Grace
    Sovereign Election
    Eternal Life
    Singular Redemption

    For commentary on ROSES, Google Timothy George ROES and it'll flesh out the acronym.
     
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    Timothy George stole (probably not intentionally) the acronym "ROSES" from Craig Skinner, FYI. Skinner developed a slightly different form of this alternative system, centered around his interpretation of Spurgeon's beliefs, long before George came up with it.
     
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    TULIP for me. Certainly there are more points to calvinism, but the tulip sums it up well.

    The roses thing I don't get at all.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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