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Taking out of context???????

Discussion in 'Pastoral Ministries' started by pocadots1990, Feb 20, 2009.

  1. pocadots1990

    pocadots1990 Member

    Jan 12, 2007
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    I am looking at starting a new series of messages titled "Be Fruitful and Multiply." That is mentioned in Genesis 5 times. While I do agree this is talking about physically, I also believe it could be applied spiritually.

    We are going to have a weekend seminar in the area of Church Growth. The theme I thought of was "Multiplying in a World of Division". Can you think of a better theme?

    I am looking at the examples Christ shared with Peter and the net, Elijah and the widow woman, Feeding of the 5000, and the apostles on the Day of Pentecost.

    Do you think I am taking this out of context?

    THEOLDMAN New Member

    Dec 4, 2008
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    Not at all ! I think you hit the nail on the head !! Have a great weekend !!!
  3. Major B

    Major B <img src=/6069.jpg>

    May 6, 2003
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    I you were attempting to make this the full meaning, you would be out of context--but there is more than an application here.

    Consider--The Husband-Wife/Christ ad the Church relationship in Eph 5:21-33

    Consider--fruit bearing in the context of Jn 15

    Some points

    1. Seven Physical Commands to Adam (and his helper, Eve)

    a. Be fruitful
    b. Multiply
    c. Fill the Earth
    d. Subdue the Earth
    e. Maintain Dominion over the Earth
    f. (Gen 2:15-16) Tend the Garden
    g. Keep (protect) the Garden
    [Note, Adam did not accomplish any of these]

    2. Seven Physical Commands Disobeyed:

    a. Man is not fruitful
    b. Man's perversion and disobedience prevents Complete multiplication,
    c. God's desire for marriage is to have Holy Seed Mal 2, and to fill the Earth--neither has been done.
    d. Earth has never been subdued
    e. Man has incomplete dominion at best, and he has perverted that
    f. Adam did not tend his garden, he and his wife were hanging around the tree that was in the center of the garden!
    g. Adam did not protect his garden--else, why was the Serpent even there.

    3. Spiritual multiplication

    a. In the OT, Israel was to be the light of the Gentiles--they mainlly ignored her because she isolated herself

    b. In the NT, we are to follow the program laid out in Mat 28:18-20
    (1) Go to all ethnic groups (meaning of "nations")
    (2) make Disciples
    (3) Baptise them into a local church
    (4) Teach them to live by all of Jesus' commands

    c. God's Plan for Growth
    (1) Acts 2:42-47--the basics
    (2) Eph 4:11-16--the mature practice of the church

    d. Individual Maturity--the vine and the branches--Jn 15

    The Key to Church Growth is to use Biblical methods
    #3 Major B, Feb 20, 2009
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  4. pocadots1990

    pocadots1990 Member

    Jan 12, 2007
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    What made me second guess was when I gave to the theme to someone in our church to work up a flyer and questioned me about the theme idea and wondering if I was taking it out of context.

    You are right, the only way for church growth is the biblical method and I don't want to go away from that.:godisgood:
  5. tinytim

    tinytim <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Oct 31, 2003
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    The Great Commission is the spiritual application of the physical command in Genesis.

    Because there are many things in the physical world that are shadows of the spiritual world, this concept works.

    I think you would be safe to use it.
  6. TomVols

    TomVols New Member

    Oct 30, 2000
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    Major B is right. Scripture can only have one meaning, though the application of the application may vary slightly. However, the Bible can never mean what it never meant. If the Gen 1 passage didn't mean for Adam to grow the church, it can't mean that for us. Now, you may have some lattitude in Gen 35, but I'd want to study that further.

    In short, our interpretation/application must match the original meaning/application as closely as possible. Haddon Robinson famously said that most heresy in preaching is not in interpretation (debatable) but in application. Think about it.

    BTW, I see six times in Gen where the phrase is used.